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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 1:52:04 GMT
It's funny; Batman Begins is likely the best example of a Batman film that is equal parts grounded and fantastical. I think there is a balance that can be struck between the two tones, which is necessary to portray the character correctly. Batman is both a man and a symbol. I don't understand the instant fanboy boner people get when they watch Batman beat a man beyond all hope of recovery and declare himself "vengeance." It's like watching Al Pacino go crazy for asses in Heat - it's mildly embarrassing. I have no interest in seeing a straight-up crime procedural with Batman in it. I've got Ashley Judd and Morgan Freeman for that. Batman Begins really was the perfect balance. I love TDK, but there is a part of me that always wanted to see more Bat movies like Begins. It grounds the character, but still has all the comic book glee that Bats should have.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 1:56:41 GMT
It's funny; Batman Begins is likely the best example of a Batman film that is equal parts grounded and fantastical. I think there is a balance that can be struck between the two tones, which is necessary to portray the character correctly. Batman is both a man and a symbol. I don't understand the instant fanboy boner people get when they watch Batman beat a man beyond all hope of recovery and declare himself "vengeance." It's like watching Al Pacino go crazy for asses in Heat - it's mildly embarrassing. I have no interest in seeing a straight-up crime procedural with Batman in it. I've got Ashley Judd and Morgan Freeman for that. If so, they could do a film noir version set in 1930s or 40s. Even then, that he fights crime using unrealistic means against over the top villains would prevent any “straight up” narrative. The brilliance of the Burton movies is that they created a world with the asthetic of a 1940s noir but don't explicitly take place in that era. It's a completely fictional universe that mixes and matches to create the perfect look and feel for Batman. I would like to see that again. My idea would be more of a noir look mixed with some diesel-punk vibes. Penguin could actually wear his MONACLE and Riddler could have the BOWLER HAT because such accessories would feel organic to the world and not look ridiculously out of place.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 2, 2020 1:57:45 GMT
It's funny; Batman Begins is likely the best example of a Batman film that is equal parts grounded and fantastical. I think there is a balance that can be struck between the two tones, which is necessary to portray the character correctly. Batman is both a man and a symbol. I don't understand the instant fanboy boner people get when they watch Batman beat a man beyond all hope of recovery and declare himself "vengeance." It's like watching Al Pacino go crazy for asses in Heat - it's mildly embarrassing. I have no interest in seeing a straight-up crime procedural with Batman in it. I've got Ashley Judd and Morgan Freeman for that. Batman Begins really was the perfect balance. I love TDK, but there is a part of me that always wanted to see more Bat movies like Begins. It grounds the character, but still has all the comic book glee that Bats should have. Not only is Batman Begins my favorite Batman film - it's my favorite superhero film of all time. Nolan nailed it. He blended the idea of a semi-plausible masked vigilante with a surealist atmosphere and tone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 2:02:31 GMT
Batman Begins really was the perfect balance. I love TDK, but there is a part of me that always wanted to see more Bat movies like Begins. It grounds the character, but still has all the comic book glee that Bats should have. Not only is Batman Begins my favorite Batman film - it's my favorite superhero film of all time. Nolan nailed it. He blended the idea of a semi-plausible masked vigilante with a surealist atmosphere and tone. The only thing I outright dislike about TDK is the fact that Gotham suddenly looks like Chicago. What happened to places like The Narrows?! It completely abandons that semi-fantastical Gotham from the first movie,
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Post by gromel on Sept 3, 2020 5:45:26 GMT
It's a pendulum. Burton and Schumacher weren't grounded, then Nolan was, then Snyder wasn't, then it seems Reeves will be.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 3, 2020 16:05:58 GMT
Not only is Batman Begins my favorite Batman film - it's my favorite superhero film of all time. Nolan nailed it. He blended the idea of a semi-plausible masked vigilante with a surealist atmosphere and tone. The only thing I outright dislike about TDK is the fact that Gotham suddenly looks like Chicago. What happened to places like The Narrows?! It completely abandons that semi-fantastical Gotham from the first movie, I guess Nolan felt he had to portray the city more realistically to support his more procedural vision of politics and crime in Gotham. Batman 89 and Batman Returns have gothic fantasy settings, while Batman Begins has a more surrealistic style. Both styles totally work for a guy who runs around dressed as a Bat in a city called Gotham. I will never be interested in seeing Batman by the light of day or in an ultra-realistic urban environment. Too much of that kind of realism underscores just how absurb the character can seem at times.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 16:32:34 GMT
The only thing I outright dislike about TDK is the fact that Gotham suddenly looks like Chicago. What happened to places like The Narrows?! It completely abandons that semi-fantastical Gotham from the first movie, I guess Nolan felt he had to portray the city more realistically to support his more procedural vision of politics and crime in Gotham. Batman 89 and Batman Returns have gothic fantasy settings, while Batman Begins has a more surrealistic style. Both styles totally work for a guy who runs around dressed as a Bat in a city called Gotham. I will never be interested in seeing Batman by the light of day or in an ultra-realistic urban environment. Too much of that kind of realism underscores just how absurb the character can seem at times. I agree. Though I do still think Nolan hangs onto a tiny bit of that surrealism in TDK and TDKR, though at that point surrealism is probably the wrong word. Two Face, Bane and even Joker, with all his over the top nature preserved, maintain a healthy dose of comic booky-ness, as do Batman's gadgets and vehicles among other things. Yes, the ultra-realistic setting does often seem at odds with these things. But it seems to me that Reeves' movies will be truly grounded in every sense. I can't imagine his Two Face looking like Nolan's or his Batman using the sonar tech from TDK for instance. Basically I think Nolan always had one foot in both worlds (maybe sometimes only a toe) while Reeves seems to be all in on the ultra-realism.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 3, 2020 17:09:01 GMT
The only thing I outright dislike about TDK is the fact that Gotham suddenly looks like Chicago. What happened to places like The Narrows?! It completely abandons that semi-fantastical Gotham from the first movie, I guess Nolan felt he had to portray the city more realistically to support his more procedural vision of politics and crime in Gotham. Batman 89 and Batman Returns have gothic fantasy settings, while Batman Begins has a more surrealistic style. Both styles totally work for a guy who runs around dressed as a Bat in a city called Gotham. I will never be interested in seeing Batman by the light of day or in an ultra-realistic urban environment. Too much of that kind of realism underscores just how absurb the character can seem at times. Nolan stated that TDK is meant to depict the more wealthy parts of the city, while BB was focused on depicting the narrows.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 3, 2020 17:15:11 GMT
It's a pendulum. Burton and Schumacher weren't grounded, then Nolan was, then Snyder wasn't, then it seems Reeves will be. Perhaps the next film will introduce Bat-Mite.
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Post by doctorvanya on Sept 5, 2020 21:35:47 GMT
If I could pitch a Batman project then the direction I'd go would be Batman as horror movie and put emphasis on the bizarre and monstrous villains like Man-Bat and Clayface. We've seen Batman as grounded crime thriller, I think a reboot needs to fine a new direction to explore and monster move isn't something we haven't seen yet.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 7, 2020 3:15:11 GMT
The only thing I outright dislike about TDK is the fact that Gotham suddenly looks like Chicago. What happened to places like The Narrows?! It completely abandons that semi-fantastical Gotham from the first movie, I will never be interested in seeing Batman by the light of day or in an ultra-realistic urban environment. Too much of that kind of realism underscores just how absurb the character can seem at times. It works until they have lines that call attention to him looking stupid dressing up in a bat theme. Same goes for having the exchange in X-men. Once the filmmakers accept that that's what people in that world would do then the people watching it will also.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Sept 7, 2020 4:26:04 GMT
If it was another reboot, I'd feel the same. The fact that they're rebooting the character AGAIN is the reason this has no appeal.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 7, 2020 6:53:28 GMT
I will never be interested in seeing Batman by the light of day or in an ultra-realistic urban environment. Too much of that kind of realism underscores just how absurb the character can seem at times. It works until they have lines that call attention to him looking stupid dressing up in a bat theme. Same goes for having the exchange in X-men. Once the filmmakers accept that that's what people in that world would do then the people watching it will also. Unless the filmmakers can genuinely and deeply immerse you in the film's world and story, there's little chance that the implausibility of it all won't occur to you. The Batman looks like "Kiss the Girls" with better cinematography. It will only take one misstep in the story. All it takes is one improbable coincidence, one poorly executed line of dialogue... and then you're out of it. Batman is so ridiculously op; I can't do it anymore. I barely made it through Justice League without laughing out loud at the character. The only thing that brings me back into it is when a writer can get at Batman's psychological complexity - which is rare these days.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 7, 2020 16:44:42 GMT
It works until they have lines that call attention to him looking stupid dressing up in a bat theme. Same goes for having the exchange in X-men. Once the filmmakers accept that that's what people in that world would do then the people watching it will also. Unless the filmmakers can genuinely and deeply immerse you in the film's world and story, there's little chance that the implausibility of it all won't occur to you. The Batman looks like "Kiss the Girls" with better cinematography. It will only take one misstep in the story. All it takes is one improbable coincidence, one poorly executed line of dialogue... and then you're out of it. Batman is so ridiculously op; I can't do it anymore. I barely made it through Justice League without laughing out loud at the character. The only thing that brings me back into it is when a writer can get at Batman's psychological complexity - which is rare these days. That's the thing, I'm usually immersed in a movie's world until they get meta when it's not a movie that calls for it (Deadpool). When filmmakers decide to stop winking at the audience, I think things could go well for adding in those more fantasy elements. Also, they need to realize that Urban Fantasy is a genre. Most comic books live in that genre. Especially at DC.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 9, 2020 18:46:23 GMT
Batman is no more OP than any other comic book character. He certainly isn’t like that in the theatrical version of JL, where he’s pretty useless overall.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 9, 2020 21:30:25 GMT
Batman is no more OP than any other comic book character. He certainly isn’t like that in the theatrical version of JL, where he’s pretty useless overall. Useless? He breached the dome. Destroyed a tower. Crashed landed his plane. He segued to a car. Lured all the para demons to him and probably had more para-demon kills per capita than any other Leaguer - courtesy of the 50 cal. Aquaman shows up in flashy entrance --- stabs two dudes - leaves in flashy exit - gets in a nice hair toss too. Batman crashes his car and lives to kill more para-demons. And I think Cyborg caught somebody who fell.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 9, 2020 21:34:38 GMT
Batman is no more OP than any other comic book character. He certainly isn’t like that in the theatrical version of JL, where he’s pretty useless overall. Useless? He breached the dome. Destroyed a tower. Crashed landed his plane. He segued to a car. Lured all the para demons to him and probably had more para-demon kills per capita than any other Leaguer - courtesy of the 50 cal. Aquaman shows up in flashy entrance --- stabs two dudes - leaves in flashy exit - gets in a nice hair shake too. Batman crashes his car and lives to kill more para-demons. And I think Cyborg caught somebody who fell. He has to be saved by the others, and in the final battle against Steppenwolf, he does basically nothing of value. He also gets tossed like a rag doll by Superman.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 9, 2020 21:50:27 GMT
Useless? He breached the dome. Destroyed a tower. Crashed landed his plane. He segued to a car. Lured all the para demons to him and probably had more para-demon kills per capita than any other Leaguer - courtesy of the 50 cal. Aquaman shows up in flashy entrance --- stabs two dudes - leaves in flashy exit - gets in a nice hair shake too. Batman crashes his car and lives to kill more para-demons. And I think Cyborg caught somebody who fell. He has to be saved by the others, and in the final battle against Steppenwolf, he does basically nothing of value. Is he even in the final battle with Steppenwolf?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 9, 2020 22:15:14 GMT
He has to be saved by the others, and in the final battle against Steppenwolf, he does basically nothing of value. Is he even in the final battle with Steppenwolf? He sort of just stands around. I suppose he does tell Superman that they need to separate the Mother Boxes.
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