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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 2, 2020 3:34:16 GMT
Please done with was if you don't want SPOILERS for Tenet.
There's a theory going around that Neil (Robert Pattinson's character) is Kat and Sator's son, Max. He seems to know that the Protagonist will keep an eye on Kat even though the Protagonist says that it's too dangerous. He says they had a long friendship, and there seems to be a lot of emotion there. Some people have pointed out that the boy's full name would be spelled Maximilien in French, and if you reverse the last four letter you get "Neil". Maybe they're so close because the Protagonist later gets together with Kat and has a father-figure type of relationship with Neil.
Where the theory falls about for me, however, is that people are claiming Neil shows a lot of concern for Kat, especially after she is wounded, which would make sense if she's his mom. After two viewings for me, it really doesn't seem that this is true. He only seems concerned for her insofar as the Protagonist is concerned and insists they take actions to protect her. To me, Neil's attitude seems to be more like, "We got important stuff to do, so why are we messing around with this chick?".
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 2, 2020 9:26:44 GMT
Why would the spelling in French be relevant? Neither parent was, nor Neil himself for all the accents Pattinson was doing.
And I agree with you, he seemed mostly indifferent to what happened to his "mother". I also got more of a brotherly bond between him and Denzel Jr, not a paternal one. Neil would be younger than him from where he's from, but I figured less of an age difference than 30 years.
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Post by Vits on Sept 2, 2020 10:20:45 GMT
I don't want to encourage anyone to risk their lives. The only reason why I saw TENET is because the cinema I went to had the proper safety measures and because I live in Rome, where the COVID-19 cases aren't as high as other places (at least for now). If your situation is similar to mine, that's a whole other conversation. Now, the plot revolves around a secret mission. So secret that, a couple of times, the agents and the employers discuss it in public, including a ferry where they're surrounded by people. Wait, what? Like most of Christopher Nolan's works, we have a complicated plot involving a lot of real science and philosophy in our hands. Unfortunately, there's something missing that was present in his previous projects: Strong emotions that drive the main characters through their journey (a husband trying to kill his wife's murderer, a father who misses his son and daughter, a father who misses his daughter and I guess his son too, etc...). Here, we learn nothing about our hero. And don't tell me that's the point, like in DUNKIRK. That was because the soldiers served as vessels for the viewers to insert ourselves into, in order to feel what it's like to be in a war zone. Not to mention that 2017 hit was designed to be a complete visual and auditory experience. This one balances the images and the audio the same way most movies do, and the protagonist is presented as a real person. Without knowing what motivates him on a personal level (instead of just wanting to save the world), I couldn't connect with him and, by extension, with the movie. Also, he and a lot of the other characters are similar in terms of personality, whether they're displaying their inner strength, their intelligence or their sense of humor, so they don't stand out, unlike INCEPTION with its group of distinct individuals. Speaking of that 2010 classic, it didn't matter that the events were written as a traditional heist film, because they took place inside people's dreams. All kinds of unpredictable and imaginative things happened in each environment. Here, a special element is introduced early on, but it's not used to the fullest until the 2nd half. The 1st half is a traditional spy film (and not a very interesting one) that occasionally turns into science fiction. It would be easy to dismiss Jennifer Lame's editing as choppy. I mean, I can't remember a shot lasting more than 5 or even 2 seconds (to be fair, I wasn't actually timing them). There are even moments where a character is doing something and in the very next shot they're doing something else in another part of the room, indicating that at least a couple of seconds have passed. However, that and the near total lack of establishing shots makes me think that her hands were tied and she was just doing her best to reduce the running time down to 150 minutes. Honestly, I would've preferred it if she had deleted full scenes. Trust me: Not all of them were indispensable. No other aspect about this production is bad at all, but without something to get invested in, what's the point? 5/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.Please done with was if you don't want SPOILERS for Tenet. There's a theory going around that Neil (Robert Pattinson's character) is Kat and Sator's son, Max. He seems to know that the Protagonist will keep an eye on Kat even though the Protagonist says that it's too dangerous. He says they had a long friendship, and there seems to be a lot of emotion there. Some people have pointed out that the boy's full name would be spelled Maximilien in French, and if you reverse the last four letter you get "Neil". Maybe they're so close because the Protagonist later gets together with Kat and has a father-figure type of relationship with Neil. Where the theory falls about for me, however, is that people are claiming Neil shows a lot of concern for Kat, especially after she is wounded, which would make sense if she's his mom. After two viewings for me, it really doesn't seem that this is true. He only seems concerned for her insofar as the Protagonist is concerned and insists they take actions to protect her. To me, Neil's attitude seems to be more like, "We got important stuff to do, so why are we messing around with this chick?". Would his parents have recognized him? Maybe they wouldn't have immediately figured out he was a time traveler, but they would've noticed if he looks like Max. Hell, maybe they would've brought it up just for small talk.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 2, 2020 16:09:28 GMT
Why would the spelling in French be relevant? Neither parent was, nor Neil himself for all the accents Pattinson was doing. And I agree with you, he seemed mostly indifferent to what happened to his "mother". I also got more of a brotherly bond between him and Denzel Jr, not a paternal one. Neil would be younger than him from where he's from, but I figured less of an age difference than 30 years. The French spelling is a bit of a stretch, as he has a British mom and a Russian dad. Then again, they could have given his name is hat spelling out of pure hoity-toityness, which wouldn't be too hard to imagine with ultra-wealthy people.
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