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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 4, 2020 19:05:06 GMT
Are you of a mind to make some mookie? I don't know what that means.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 19:06:50 GMT
I don't know what that means. Thanks for clearing that up. I am always in the mind to make some mooky then.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 4, 2020 19:15:07 GMT
I thought he was ok until he killed Jack Palance and then he got too goofy. if he had stayed serious he would have been creepy.
But Caesar Romero was the closest match to the comic character of the time. He also is the only one who is 6'2. Every other Joker is shorter-Ledger 6 feet, -Nicholson 5'9. Phoenix 5'8.
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Post by ck100 on Sept 4, 2020 19:21:52 GMT
I wouldn't call his performance subtle, but he's fun to watch.
I've always wondered why they casted a pudgy, middle-aged actor as the clown prince of crime instead of someone more youthful, vibrant, etc. like they later did with Ledger.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 4, 2020 19:23:32 GMT
I wouldn't call his performance subtle, but he's fun to watch. I've always wondered why they casted a pudgy, middle-aged actor as the clown prince of crime instead of someone more youthful, vibrant, etc. like they later did with Ledger. Same reason why Brando was cast as Joe-El. Get a big star to give the film legitimacy.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Sept 4, 2020 19:41:32 GMT
Nicholson is still my favorite Joker.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 4, 2020 20:03:05 GMT
I wouldn't call his performance subtle, but he's fun to watch. I've always wondered why they casted a pudgy, middle-aged actor as the clown prince of crime instead of someone more youthful, vibrant, etc. like they later did with Ledger. Jack Nicholson was a big star who already had experience playing those types of characters. It’s not surprising that they went with him.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 20:51:33 GMT
I get what you are saying, but I disagree. I know what Burton was going for and it only works to a point imo. Nicholson and Burton's Joker is no Mark Hamill from Batman: TAS. Nolan's version is a different thing entirely, but still fits with the comic book version. He is going off of Frank Miller's more dark serious vision. I’m talking judging the performance within the genre of comics at that time. I’ll agree as far pure acting alone, Ledger and Phoenix are better. But it is not fair to expect Nicholson to go beyond the character as written for that particular movie. There’s no Actors’ Studio performances needed here. He goes from a sleazy thug under a crime boss to a mad clown seeking revenge on the Batman. That is the original Joker character. Jack Napier is no literary comment on society, he is a glossy comic book villain. The Dark Knight and Joker are very judgmental films that expect the audience to think. What liberal comments about society does Batman (1989) make? You don't understand. I like Nichoslon and the Joker in Batman (1989) and it does fit well enough. It could have fit better. Nicholson doesn't remind me of the comic book joker. I had never imagined the joker as a 50 year old out of shape silly man. I think of him as a thin anarchist type with no name and no history who is the yang to Batman's yin. That is exactly the Joker that Heath Ledger played. There are is a variety of versions of the character. Batman Begins and the Dark Knight is everything I have ever wanted with Batman movies, so I have a bias towards these versions. I won't deny that. My main issue now is that Nicholson's Joker isn't frightening or intimidating to Batman. Heath Ledger and BatmanL TAS versions are. They are terrifying characters comapared to Batman (1989) joker, who spends half the movie obsessed with Vicky Vale, playing prince music and ruining paintings. The writing of the character in Batman (1989) pales in comparison to most other versions imo. I don't want to beat up on Burton's Batman too much, because it is a good movie and I do like it. But someone like Gary Oldman or Brad Douriff would have been much better choices. When I watch The Dark Knight and Batman TAS I am seeing the Joker, when I watch Batman 1989 I am seeing Jack Nicholson Joker. Jack Nicholson is probably my favorite actor and the Joker character in general is probably my favorite villain of all time, so in this case his Nicholson-y performance is a bit distracting. I am seeing the actor more than the character. I have never seen a political stance in Batman (1989). There is a definite stand it is making about vanity though.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 21:08:02 GMT
You don't understand. I like Nichoslon and the Joker in Batman (1989) and it does fit well enough. It could have fit better. Nicholson doesn't remind me of the comic book joker. I had never imagined the joker as a 50 year old out of shape silly man. I think of him as a thin anarchist type with no name and no history who is the yang to Batman's yin. That is exactly the Joker that Heath Ledger played. There are is a variety of versions of the character. Batman Begins and the Dark Knight is everything I have ever wanted with Batman movies, so I have a bias towards these versions. I won't deny that. My main issue now is that Nicholson's Joker isn't frightening or intimidating to Batman. Heath Ledger and BatmanL TAS versions are. They are terrifying characters comapared to Batman (1989) joker, who spends half the movie obsessed with Vicky Vale, playing prince music and ruining paintings. The writing of the character in Batman (1989) pales in comparison to most other versions imo. I don't want to beat up on Burton's Batman too much, because it is a good movie and I do like it. But someone like Gary Oldman or Brad Douriff would have been much better choices. When I watch The Dark Knight and Batman TAS I am seeing the Joker, when I watch Batman 1989 I am seeing Jack Nicholson Joker. I have never seen a political stance in Batman (1989). There is a definite stand it is making about vanity though. I agree with all of what he said to an extent.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 21:13:11 GMT
You don't understand. I like Nichoslon and the Joker in Batman (1989) and it does fit well enough. It could have fit better. Nicholson doesn't remind me of the comic book joker. I had never imagined the joker as a 50 year old out of shape silly man. I think of him as a thin anarchist type with no name and no history who is the yang to Batman's yin. That is exactly the Joker that Heath Ledger played. There are is a variety of versions of the character. Batman Begins and the Dark Knight is everything I have ever wanted with Batman movies, so I have a bias towards these versions. I won't deny that. My main issue now is that Nicholson's Joker isn't frightening or intimidating to Batman. Heath Ledger and BatmanL TAS versions are. They are terrifying characters comapared to Batman (1989) joker, who spends half the movie obsessed with Vicky Vale, playing prince music and ruining paintings. The writing of the character in Batman (1989) pales in comparison to most other versions imo. I don't want to beat up on Burton's Batman too much, because it is a good movie and I do like it. But someone like Gary Oldman or Brad Douriff would have been much better choices. When I watch The Dark Knight and Batman TAS I am seeing the Joker, when I watch Batman 1989 I am seeing Jack Nicholson Joker. I have never seen a political stance in Batman (1989). There is a definite stand it is making about vanity though. I thought you’d like the political commentary on TDK. The reason I love The Dark Knight is because I am a cynic. The Joker wins at the end of the movie and the lie is carried over and exposed in The Dark Knight Rises. An entire book could be written about the themes in TDK. The movie is in my opinion judging and exposing every aspect of society and human nature. The Dark Knight is a very disturbing movie when you think about it. It reminds me of the Bible a bit, where Satan/the serpent is the one who tells the truth in Genesis, God is the deceiver. Joker even licks his lips in a snake like manner. Satan/joker is child's play compared to the half truths of God/society/Government.
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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 4, 2020 21:13:54 GMT
I love his performance, but really it isn't much different from his portrayal of Jack Torrence in The Shining.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 4, 2020 21:17:45 GMT
Interesting trivia, did you know the Joker was inspired by the title character from 1928 movie "The Man Who Laughs"?
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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 4, 2020 21:22:03 GMT
Interesting trivia, did you know the Joker was inspired by the title character from 1928 movie "The Man Who Laughs"? Gwynplaine was a nice character though.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 21:22:57 GMT
Interesting trivia, did you know the Joker was inspired by the title character from 1928 movie "The Man Who Laughs"? Yup. Good movie too.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 21:24:07 GMT
Interesting trivia, did you know the Joker was inspired by the title character from 1928 movie "The Man Who Laughs"? Gwynplaine was a nice character though. The look and laugh of the Joker was inspired, but not much else.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 4, 2020 21:56:25 GMT
This actor inspired a lot of comic characters. The man of a thousand feces. Oh, wait...
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Post by James on Sept 4, 2020 22:07:37 GMT
His performance is great, although if you’ve seen many of Nicholson’s roles you start to notice that Jack seems to play himself and this is no exception. I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing, it just doesn’t stand out in terms of his own filmography.
I prefer Ledger and Phoenix personally, but I can see the appeal here too.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 4, 2020 23:04:16 GMT
My first exposure to Joker was Mark Hamill's, which is probably part of why I do not like Nicholson's. Despite TAS being inspired by the Burton films, the Jokers were completely different to me. Hamill's was wily, lanky, unpredictable, and had an unusual and distinct voice. Then I watch B89, and Joker is short, fat, motivated by job promotions and schoolboy crushes, and played by an overly recognizable actor giving an overly recognizable performance. Even on the terms of Jack being Jack, he's got his face - perhaps his best attribute as an actor - frozen for most of it. I never liked it, even before TDK was a glint in Nolan's eye.
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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 5, 2020 3:25:42 GMT
My first exposure to Joker was Mark Hamill's, which is probably part of why I do not like Nicholson's. Despite TAS being inspired by the Burton films, the Jokers were completely different to me. Hamill's was wily, lanky, unpredictable, and had an unusual and distinct voice. Then I watch B89, and Joker is short, fat, motivated by job promotions and schoolboy crushes, and played by an overly recognizable actor giving an overly recognizable performance. Even on the terms of Jack being Jack, he's got his face - perhaps his best attribute as an actor - frozen for most of it. I never liked it, even before TDK was a glint in Nolan's eye. What do you think of the Caesar Romero Joker?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 5, 2020 4:46:31 GMT
My first exposure to Joker was Mark Hamill's, which is probably part of why I do not like Nicholson's. Despite TAS being inspired by the Burton films, the Jokers were completely different to me. Hamill's was wily, lanky, unpredictable, and had an unusual and distinct voice. Then I watch B89, and Joker is short, fat, motivated by job promotions and schoolboy crushes, and played by an overly recognizable actor giving an overly recognizable performance. Even on the terms of Jack being Jack, he's got his face - perhaps his best attribute as an actor - frozen for most of it. I never liked it, even before TDK was a glint in Nolan's eye. What do you think of the Caesar Romero Joker? Mustache aside, he was fine, especially for what the 60s Batman was. He had a good laugh and set the precedent of giving Joker a "voice" as opposed to just sounding like Cesar Romero.
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