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Post by petrolino on Sept 6, 2020 3:45:56 GMT
I think this is what most people reject when it comes to the arts.
If somebody offers constructive criticism of an artwork, great. If somebody casually dismisses a career's worth of art without any kind of trial, it's probably questionable.
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Post by Vits on Sept 6, 2020 10:49:47 GMT
Examples?
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Post by petrolino on Sept 6, 2020 18:31:57 GMT
"John Ford is overrated. His films are silly and so is he. They are of no worth to me."
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 6, 2020 18:48:48 GMT
Most people don't have the time or interest.
I am one of those people. I will sometimes write a review or go on a rant and explain my opinion in detail, but not very often.
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Post by petrolino on Sept 6, 2020 18:58:07 GMT
Most people don't have the time or interest. I am one of those people. I will sometimes write a review or go on a rant and explain my opinion in detail, but not very often. I agree. And some people like to learn why others feel differently, or to canvas opinion, while some believe their opinion is the only one that matters and it's just a matter of stating it. I don't consider this a controversial view as filmmakers have discussed this in interviews over the years, when asked about extreme criticism of their work. There's layers of constructive criticism as well as examples of mindlessly destructive criticism.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 6, 2020 19:05:05 GMT
Most people don't have the time or interest. I am one of those people. I will sometimes write a review or go on a rant and explain my opinion in detail, but not very often. I agree. And some people like to learn why others feel differently, or to canvas opinion, while some believe their opinion is the only one that matters and it's just a matter of stating it. I don't consider this a controversial view as filmmakers have discussed this in interviews over the years, when asked about extreme criticism of their work. There's layers of constructive criticism as well as examples of mindlessly destructive criticism. I personally like to know why others feel differently (sometimes), but I tend to keep my detailed opinions close to the chest. I don't even remotely think my opinion is the only one that matters though. Many of my thoughts are for me and me alone. I generally won't just make a broad blanket statement without sharing some kind of reason though.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 6, 2020 19:26:54 GMT
There are almost no directors that I would make a blanket negative statement about though. I tend to not even care what the opinions are of a person who does that.
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Post by petrolino on Sept 6, 2020 19:36:32 GMT
There are almost no directors that I would make a blanket negative statement about though. I tend to not even care what the opinions are of a person who does that. I read about the lynch mob effect before in psychology. This would be an example :
Person 1 - This director has never made a worthy film. Person 2 - Yeh, his films suck. Person 3 - Yeh, he sucks.
etc.
It's where people use a sounding board to release pent-up frustration and the conversation spirals out to become increasingly nasty.
There are some middle managers who tell their staff to mouth off at the cleaner, or the barista, or the office runner, because the big non-no would be to explode at a V.I.P., senior manager or client. I've seen psychology studies on this too that are very interesting when considering the community spread of negative thought and feeling.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 6, 2020 19:42:30 GMT
There are almost no directors that I would make a blanket negative statement about though. I tend to not even care what the opinions are of a person who does that. I read about the lynch mob effect before in psychology. This would be an example :
Person 1 - This director has never made a worthy film. Person 2 - Yeh, his films suck. Person 3 - Yeh, he sucks.
etc.
It's where people use a sounding board to release pent-up frustration and the conversation spirals out to become increasingly nasty.
There are some middle managers who tell their staff to mouth off at the cleaner, or the barista, or the office runner, because the big non-no would be to explode at a V.I.P., senior manager or client. I've seen psychology studies on this too that are very interesting when considering the community spread of negative thought and feeling.
That all makes sense. I see that a lot. This is why I tend to not associate much with society.
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Post by petrolino on Sept 6, 2020 19:46:18 GMT
I read about the lynch mob effect before in psychology. This would be an example :
Person 1 - This director has never made a worthy film. Person 2 - Yeh, his films suck. Person 3 - Yeh, he sucks.
etc.
It's where people use a sounding board to release pent-up frustration and the conversation spirals out to become increasingly nasty.
There are some middle managers who tell their staff to mouth off at the cleaner, or the barista, or the office runner, because the big non-no would be to explode at a V.I.P., senior manager or client. I've seen psychology studies on this too that are very interesting when considering the community spread of negative thought and feeling.
That all makes sense. I see that a lot. This is why I tend to not associate much with society. I know the feeling lol.
I'm guilty of these things on occasion, but I dislike myself for it if I am. For example, if I read through a movie topic here and it's one negative reply on top of another, I find it makes my mood dip, and the more I read, the lower it gets.
If somebody walked in to a party and everybody was acting that way, they'd probably leave through the same door. Studies show most people prefer the atmosphere at parties to be upbeat.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 6, 2020 19:49:06 GMT
That all makes sense. I see that a lot. This is why I tend to not associate much with society. I know the feeling lol.
I'm guilty of these things on occasion, but I dislike myself for it if I am. For example, if I read through a movie topic here and it's one negative reply on top of another, I find it makes my mood dip, and the more I read, the lower it gets.
If somebody walked in to a party and everybody was acting that way, they'd probably leave through the same door. Studies show most people prefer the atmosphere at parties to be upbeat.
The madness of crowds is similar, if not just the same thing on a larger scale. It is sickening.
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Post by petrolino on Sept 6, 2020 19:50:27 GMT
I know the feeling lol.
I'm guilty of these things on occasion, but I dislike myself for it if I am. For example, if I read through a movie topic here and it's one negative reply on top of another, I find it makes my mood dip, and the more I read, the lower it gets.
If somebody walked in to a party and everybody was acting that way, they'd probably leave through the same door. Studies show most people prefer the atmosphere at parties to be upbeat.
The madness of crowds is similar, if not just the same thing on a larger scale. It is sickening. I definitely feel our moods are connected to an extent. In general, it's hard not to be affected by the atmosphere around you. I don't like crowds so I avoid them.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 6, 2020 19:55:20 GMT
The madness of crowds is similar, if not just the same thing on a larger scale. It is sickening. I definitely feel our moods are connected to an extent. In general, it's hard not to be affected by the atmosphere around you. I don't like crowds so I avoid them. I think my anti-social nature makes me less effected by this. I generally want to do the opposite of the crowd.  With movies it is a bit different imo. Maybe all those people really do think that so and so movie sucks. The crowd thing is more a visceral reaction, while the art thing seems like it is more of an opinion that was already formed by the people responding and they are just legitimately agreeing with the first person.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 6, 2020 20:04:14 GMT
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Post by petrolino on Sept 6, 2020 21:02:56 GMT
That's really cool. Some horror films deal with ideas around mass hysteria.
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Post by petrolino on Sept 6, 2020 21:22:23 GMT
I definitely feel our moods are connected to an extent. In general, it's hard not to be affected by the atmosphere around you. I don't like crowds so I avoid them. I think my anti-social nature makes me less effected by this. I generally want to do the opposite of the crowd. With movies it is a bit different imo. Maybe all those people really do think that so and so movie sucks. The crowd thing is more a visceral reaction, while the art thing seems like it is more of an opinion that was already formed by the people responding and they are just legitimately agreeing with the first person. I think you can tell a lot by somebody's tone, just like with humour. For example, if somebody is constantly sneering while passing criticisms as put-downs, that suggests something different to me than if they are simply commenting about their likes / dislikes regarding a given movie.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 6, 2020 21:30:43 GMT
I think you can tell a lot by somebody's tone, just like with humour. For example, if somebody is constantly sneering while passing criticisms as put-downs, that suggests something different to me than if they are simply commenting about their likes / dislikes regarding a given movie. Like those who simultaneously sneer at American films and "foreign language" films. Doesn't seem to leave much to like ! 
Good thread with interesting discussion goin' on. 
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 6, 2020 21:35:52 GMT
I think my anti-social nature makes me less effected by this. I generally want to do the opposite of the crowd. With movies it is a bit different imo. Maybe all those people really do think that so and so movie sucks. The crowd thing is more a visceral reaction, while the art thing seems like it is more of an opinion that was already formed by the people responding and they are just legitimately agreeing with the first person. I think you can tell a lot by somebody's tone, just like with humour. For example, if somebody is constantly sneering while passing criticisms as put-downs, that suggests something different to me than if they are simply commenting about their likes / dislikes regarding a given movie. It is very difficult to get tone from reading one sentence online. That is a mistake I have made many times and people have made that mistake about my intention as well. Maybe it is simply that I haven't come across this stuff as much as you have with specific people who do it all the time. I don't use Reddit and I hear it is a big thing on there. I take that back. I do often hear from the people who criticize all modern movies or all foreign films or all classic era movies as a blanket statement. I don't come across many people agreeing though with those blanket statements though. I think these types of people are in the minority, so I tend not to pay much attention to them.
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Post by petrolino on Sept 6, 2020 21:42:00 GMT
I think you can tell a lot by somebody's tone, just like with humour. For example, if somebody is constantly sneering while passing criticisms as put-downs, that suggests something different to me than if they are simply commenting about their likes / dislikes regarding a given movie. It is very difficult to get tone from reading one sentence online. That is a mistake I have made many times and people have made that mistake about my intention as well. Maybe it is simply that I haven't come across this stuff as much as you have with specific people who do it all the time. I don't use Reddit and I hear it is a big thing on there. I take that back. I do often hear from the people who criticize all modern movies or all foreign films or all classic era movies as a blanket statement. I don't come across many people agreeing though with those blanket statements though. I think these types of people are in the minority, so I tend not to pay much attention to them. I agree, you have to be careful and it's always better to give the benefit of the doubt online if you're unsure, or simply to ask them directly. But if you see somebody doing this repeatedly, that can make it a lot easier to read, and some people seem to get seriously pumped by their own savage put-downs.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 6, 2020 21:53:39 GMT
It is very difficult to get tone from reading one sentence online. That is a mistake I have made many times and people have made that mistake about my intention as well. Maybe it is simply that I haven't come across this stuff as much as you have with specific people who do it all the time. I don't use Reddit and I hear it is a big thing on there. I take that back. I do often hear from the people who criticize all modern movies or all foreign films or all classic era movies as a blanket statement. I don't come across many people agreeing though with those blanket statements though. I think these types of people are in the minority, so I tend not to pay much attention to them. I agree, you have to be careful and it's always better to give the benefit of the doubt online if you're unsure, or simply to ask them directly. But if you see somebody doing this repeatedly, that can make it a lot easier to read, and some people seem to get seriously pumped by their own savage put-downs. I would say the people you are talking about aren't going to change. They don't even care if they are taken seriously it seems to me. They just want attention and like to hear themselves talk. I will never understand these kinds of people. I have a few people on ignore, most recently this user named Jason, who just asserts that anybody who claims to like/love Tenet is just lying to themselves. I don't know if he actually believes this or if he just likes to rile people up. Both are a definite possibility, because I know people who are legitimately convinced of their own bold faced assertions. That some people's POV is so different that they think the other person is lying. It is ego, plain and simple.
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