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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 14, 2020 18:41:39 GMT
"So do you think Netflix is trying to attract pedophile viewers and how large of a population do you think that is?" I think there is enough to point to in that direction (the original poster, the film title, the really innapropriate shots). As for how large of a population that is, I dunno (for obvious reasons it's very difficult to get stats on that as most people aren't willing to admit to that on a survey) but there are several states where child marriage is legal and the Deep Web is a huge hive for pedophiles. Netflix would have no reason to assume that the pedo crowd would make for a lucrative market. The states where child marriage is legal are a holdover from the old days. Very few people nowadays would actually support the idea of child marriage. Well very few people would openly support child marriage, again the Deep Web is a huge hive for pedophiles.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 14, 2020 18:47:46 GMT
Netflix would have no reason to assume that the pedo crowd would make for a lucrative market. The states where child marriage is legal are a holdover from the old days. Very few people nowadays would actually support the idea of child marriage. Well very few people would openly support child marriage, again the Deep Web is a huge hive for pedophiles. Billions of people use the Internet. There’s bound to be a lot of bad people on it. It doesn’t mean pedophiles are a lucrative market.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 14, 2020 18:52:03 GMT
Well very few people would openly support child marriage, again the Deep Web is a huge hive for pedophiles. Billions of people use the Internet. There’s bound to be a lot of bad people on it. It doesn’t mean pedophiles are a lucrative market. I'd have to look up the data, but I'm almost certain child porn is one of the most rampant illegal activities on the Deep Web.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 19:05:44 GMT
Billions of people use the Internet. There’s bound to be a lot of bad people on it. It doesn’t mean pedophiles are a lucrative market. I'd have to look up the data, but I'm almost certain child porn is one of the most rampant illegal activities on the Deep Web. It's up there with illicit drug trade. Of course, that doesn't mean it has a lot of people engaging in it overall in terms of humankind. It's just the only place they can go. Which begs the question: Why would a pedophile bother with Cuties if they have the Deep Web? The only argument I can see making any sense is that a pedophile might see it as a gateway into child pornography. But you could say the same of fucking Shirley Temple or the Olsen Twins or Lolita. If they have a sexual attraction to kids, I don't think Cuties is going to be what tips them over the edge. They're going to realize it sooner or later. But that it's made to pander to pedophiles? Or to normalize pedophilia? If it were meant to do that, why is pedophilia not a theme in the film made to seem sympathetic or acceptable? Or even a theme at all?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 14, 2020 19:11:21 GMT
"So do you think Netflix is trying to attract pedophile viewers and how large of a population do you think that is?" I think there is enough to point to in that direction (the original poster, the film title, the really innapropriate shots). As for how large of a population that is, I dunno (for obvious reasons it's very difficult to get stats on that as most people aren't willing to admit to that on a survey) but it should be noted there are several states where child marriage is legal and the Deep Web is a huge hive for pedophiles. Yes and many of these states have had these laws since before the Civil War. Tennessee man Jerry Lee Lewis once married his 13-year old cousin and while it did hurt him with the American public generally, it did not bury his career totally because he’s was a old ole boy. My beef with the moral outrage posts started by right wingers is they using this controversy...which has legitimate concerns from some reasonable folks like yourself...solely to cudgel the “Libs” because most manage to bring up the Obamas, pedo-Libs, etc, and usually laughing. So do you think they are being honest in their concern? "So do you think they are being honest in their concern?" Probably not (the Vaush video I posted actually addresses this), but again that's a bit of a pivot and doesn't address my real concern (Is this film sexualizing children?). I think there's enough to at least warrant suspicion.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 14, 2020 19:28:12 GMT
"So do you think they are being honest in their concern?" Probably not (the Vaush video I posted actually addresses this), but again that's a bit of a pivot and doesn't address my real concern (Is this film sexualizing children?). I think there's enough to at least warrant suspicion. And the sexualization of children is the intent of the movie. They may have handled the subject ham-handedly, but is this movie, in your opinion, meant to be child porn or a commentary on society and culture? I would have to see the movie to make an absoute decision, but as someone already mentioned, the movie seems to feature innapropiate upclose shots that seem to cause concern.
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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 14, 2020 20:24:05 GMT
So I read the title as "Cube" at first and was wondering why a semi-obscure Canadian science fiction film from the 90s would be trending on Netflix.
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Post by gljbradley on Sept 14, 2020 20:26:01 GMT
Wow. And they wonder why many people had cancelled their Netflix subscriptions. The fact that mainstream media is defending this "film" is BEYOND DISTURBING and DISGUSTING. ^ Yet another person who hasn't watched the movie. Bah, said the sheep. I got your sheep. The fact that you don't find anything wrong with this "film" and the way it's marketed is troubling. We're talking about children for crying out loud! Anyone with morals and basic human decency wouldn't dare watch a film that straight-up exploits children.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 14, 2020 20:30:49 GMT
I would have to see the movie to make an absoute decision, but as someone already mentioned, the movie seems to feature innapropiate upclose shots that seem to cause concern. That doesn’t answer my question. The definition of pornography depends upon intent. The filmmaker’s intent is what should determine if this movie is intended to arose pedophiles, i.e., child porn which is illegal, or intended to bring awareness to the public on the issue of pornographic tropes being used in our everyday pop-culture that encourages young girls to use these culturally approved tropes as models for behavior? Therefore, aside from the filmmaker going to far in depicting how girls come of age in our society, do you think the filmmaker’s intent is child porn or being on a soapbox? Well no I did answer your question, if you want me to take a super hard line stance on the movie, admittingly I would have to watch it. But judging from what others have commented on it and the marketing of the film, I think there is enough to at least warrant suspicion. Now admittingly it's very possible all the things that seem to point in that direction (the film title, the poster, the creepy innapropriate upclose shots) are just a mere coincidence and not really representative of the film's actual intent, but that would be a very odd coincidence that I would have to be at least somewhat skeptical of.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Sept 16, 2020 12:58:05 GMT
I watched this not knowing what to expect having heard nothing at all about it. I thought it was good to watch, and if you look at the shot of the girls doing their routine for the contest, you'll note how upset a good portion of the audience was. I think that was the point of the movie. Yes, it was uncomfortable watching 11-12 year-olds (the actors are older in real life) perform so sexually. That was the whole point of the movie! I enjoyed it. Kid wants to fit in, her home life isn't going so well with just moving into a new flat, father going to marry wife number 2 and bring her home, new school, etc. So, she rebels, wants to "fit in", is intrigued by seeing the young neighbor girl dancing in the laundry room. If people are uncomfortable with this film, that's a good thing. My take - that was the director's intent.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 17, 2020 17:26:52 GMT
I watched this not knowing what to expect having heard nothing at all about it. I thought it was good to watch, and if you look at the shot of the girls doing their routine for the contest, you'll note how upset a good portion of the audience was. I think that was the point of the movie. Yes, it was uncomfortable watching 11-12 year-olds (the actors are older in real life) perform so sexually. That was the whole point of the movie! I enjoyed it. Kid wants to fit in, her home life isn't going so well with just moving into a new flat, father going to marry wife number 2 and bring her home, new school, etc. So, she rebels, wants to "fit in", is intrigued by seeing the young neighbor girl dancing in the laundry room. If people are uncomfortable with this film, that's a good thing. My take - that was the director's intent. Good take on the film.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 17, 2020 20:00:32 GMT
Er, there are people are not right leaning who are disgusted at the movie as well.
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Post by Vits on Oct 1, 2020 20:59:33 GMT
In MIGNONNES (CUTIES), an 11-year-old girl named Amy lives in a conservative home and she notices how her popular classmates wear sexy outfits. She befriends them and joins their dance crew. Yes, it's a concept we've seen before, but the execution is compelling and it puts a new spin on its tropes. Is it true that the actresses are over-sexualized which contradicts the message? Well, sort of. It's not about the content per se but the presentation. A couple of times, when the title characters dance, the camera moves up and down (like we, the audience, are supposed to admire their bodies from head to toe). Yes, it made me feel uncomfortable, but not in the way I think it was intended. This actually would've worked better with a different approach, because the girls record some of their practice sessions with their phones. If they had sat down to watch their own videos and the footage was presented to us exactly the same as it is now, it would've been a valid in-universe reason. It would've meant that whoever was holding the phone was trying to make her friends look hot. Luckily, in most scenes, the shot composition is more "matter of fact," making the distinction between fiction and reality more clear. At times, there are point-of-view shots with not that much editing, which makes sense since the protagonist appears in every minute and the entire plot consists of her reactions to each event. A good chunk of the running time consists of these little ladies playing games, pulling pranks and even acting goofily for no reason. It shows that they should stop fighting against their innocence, because it's always present. I laughed my ass off at their factually wrong conversations about sex, which highlight how far from adulthood they truly are. I'm sure this all sounds like a predictable story, but there are a lot of surprises. For instance, we all expect the friends to make Amy do more and more extreme things until she reaches rock bottom, right? Well, without anyone telling her, Amy decides to take nude photos of herself and publish them online. Her (slutty) friends act like even that's too far for them and they kick her out of the crew. We all expect Mariam (Amy's mother) to be a Muslim extremist who gets angry at Amy for everything that seems improper, even before finding out about her new hobby, right? She's actually very patient. Amy stabs a pencil in a boy's hand (after he touched her ass) and it's the only time Mariam yells at her and slaps her. Granted, it could've occurred before, because we're never shown what happens after Amy throws a phone out the window, or after Amy lets her little brother Ismaël out of her sight, resulting in their apartment getting flooded. I'm sure that reading a list of Amy's bad deeds might make you think she's a villain who doesn't deserve happiness. No, aside from another girl almost drowning after being pushed by Amy into a lake (my jaw was on the floor!), she does what lost children do when they act out. That's why, at the end, Mariam steps outside allowing Amy to decide if she wants to join her at a ceremony. She doesn't even say "Change from your dance uniform into that traditional dress!" Letting her daughter do whatever she wants in general isn't the answer (honestly, she had already been doing that), but Mariam is giving her a choice in this particular situation. Amy never wanted to have sex or anything like that; she wanted to be noticed and treated like a person. Mariam sees that she still needs to grow up, but her levels of intelligence and maturity are still high enough to know certain things. While Amy's not an adult, she's also not a baby. This is when the main theme is revealed: Just because you're only given 2 paths to choose from, it doesn't mean you can't create a 3rd one. Amy leaves both her uniform and her dress on her bed. She puts on normal clothes that she's comfortable with. And instead of keep tying her hair up or keep straightening it, she lets her lovely curls loose. She goes outside to play with the neighborhood kids. Not every loose end is tied, but that's OK. The movie isn't saying that she has become a better person, but rather than she has realized who she is (flaws and all). Will she suffer the consequences of her actions off-screen after the end credits have rolled? Definitely, but we don't need to see that, since this journey has been completed. Now, going back to the idea of finding a middle ground... Usually, Islam is either condemned or glorified by the media. This film is surprisingly somewhere in between. Yes, there's the critique of how women are treated and how girls are considered "marriage material" the moment they get their period. No wonder Amy is so confused: Everywhere she turns, someone is telling her to be a sex object (in different ways). Anyway, other aspects are portrayed positively. For example, Mariam calls a priest to make sure that Amy's behavior isn't caused by a spiritual possession. Obviously, this guy will be even more of a traditionalist than everyone else, right? No, he tells Mariam "I know that your husband has chosen a second wife and I can see that you're in pain. Just so you know, you can end your marriage if you want." Seriously?! He's religious enough to approve of polygamy but not enough to view the female gender as inferior?! Who would've guessed that?! 8/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.
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