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Post by shannondegroot on Sept 20, 2020 21:42:18 GMT
basically good people ?
Would a horror film where people who did some great evil deed get killed off one by one be bad because it would make the audience enjoy the horrific revenge too much or something ?
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Post by politicidal on Sept 20, 2020 22:43:34 GMT
I think it makes the situation more terrifying since most people even if not necessarily good, are at least law abiding citizens.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Sept 20, 2020 22:45:01 GMT
I feel like a lot of horror movies are like that. Like any of the EC comics type movies that are about bad people getting a comeuppance. Like a lot of the Creepshow stuff, and a lot of anthology TV segments. Maybe this is more common in short form story telling now that I say that, but my first but I feel like there are plenty of features like that too. My first thought was I Know What You Did Last Summer. Those characters may not be evil really, but the basis of the story is that they did a terrible thing. I'm sure there are better examples though.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 20, 2020 23:10:51 GMT
The idea is that if they are good then you feel more sympathy for their plight. If they are bad, then you look forward to bad things happening to them. I guess it depends on the situation.
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Post by Sarge on Sept 22, 2020 1:29:35 GMT
Would a horror film where people who did some great evil deed get killed off one by one be bad because it would make the audience enjoy the horrific revenge too much or something ? That's basically all the old westerns.
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Post by Marv on Sept 22, 2020 1:52:23 GMT
Usually I think filmmakers want the audience to empathize with the victims. But revenge horror certainly exists. Just look at I Spit on Your Grave.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Sept 22, 2020 14:13:19 GMT
Usually I think filmmakers want the audience to empathize with the victims. But revenge horror certainly exists. Just look at I Spit on Your Grave. True, the rape/revenge movies do this in a little sub genre of their own, and there are a bunch of movies where bullies get a comeuppance, like Slaughter High or Don't Go to the Reunion. In some of the movies where the victims are not good people the main protagonist still is, like how Hellraiser is populated with awful backstabbing evil bastards except for the main girl. But many of the latter Hellraiser movies deal with a heavily flawed protagonist who gets sucked into the realm of the cenobites because of their sins. Then there are the movies like Saw and all of the shitty sequels where the people at the center of things are not necessarily evil, but all involved as some sort of punishment for past mistake or otherwise bad action. It's also a staple of ghost stories that one would be haunted by something they'd done in their past. Then there are also movies like Don't Breath where the main characters are doing something wrong on purpose, but you can sort of sympathize with the position they are in, and while you might not condone it you can probably understand it. That movie sort of cops out by making it clear that the antagonist is ultimately worse than they are, but even he has something of an understandable motivation because he was wronged as well, but his actions go waaaaaay farther into the territory of evil. Interestingly enough for this discussion though, the most common complaint that I heard about that movie was that people didn't care for the main characters because they were criminals, which might be why the felt the need to reveal the Stephen Lang character to be so ridiculously awful in the end so that you could root for the main girl without reservation.
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Post by fangirl1975 on Sept 22, 2020 18:54:48 GMT
Victims in most horror films are basically decent people because the filmmakers want to root for the protagonist(s) rather than the antagonist.
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Post by dirtypillows on Sept 23, 2020 2:31:34 GMT
basically good people ? Would a horror film where people who did some great evil deed get killed off one by one be bad because it would make the audience enjoy the horrific revenge too much or something ? The premise of "se7en" was that the killer went after people who had violated one of the seven cardinal sins, a premise I could not get all that excited about. (To be honest, I thought it was a ridiculous film.)
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Post by simest on Sept 23, 2020 13:13:53 GMT
I remember Nazis being preyed upon by a sinister force in THE KEEP. I think PRISON might also have had some convicts as victims. There's also THE VAULT, in which bank robbers are stalked by an evil presence in the basement of the building.
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Post by novastar6 on Sept 23, 2020 16:28:14 GMT
Horror movies, like all movies, have gone too far in the other direction, now there are NO likeable good characters, everybody's annoying and shitty and you can't WAIT for them to get killed.
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