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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 23:48:40 GMT
I was thinking if a villain is considered a well written villain if they have character development and progression like Loki and Pheonix's Joker or if they should just feel like a large threat and have interesting motivations like Thanos and Heath Ledger's Joker?
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 21, 2020 0:02:45 GMT
Are Loki or the Joker (JP) really villains? They seem to have moved into the anti-hero category.
Even Thanos is riding the middle road since he is motivated by what he thinks is charitable concern.
I think the best comic book villains are usually those who have no (genuine) self-analysis.
Skeletor for example.
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Post by Vassaggo on Sept 21, 2020 0:07:06 GMT
Kind of depends on what tone, style, and plot you are going for. If the tone is gritty that's more grounded into reality, with character driven plot I would say the villain would need to be realistic. Not over the top but more like the he's a hero in his own story. He doesn't see himself as the bad guy it's the world that the world is wrong and he is right. If it's a more bombastic style, with a lighter tone with over the top story telling then the villain needs to match that. He can still think that he is the hero, but it gives the actor more leeway to chew up the scenery. I think the main point I'm trying to say is that fitting the villain to the story is what makes a good villain. I don't think it's a one size fit all type of thing.
Edit: I should say not all villains need to feel like they are the hero. Sometimes having a evil person just to be evil is fine too. It's just sometimes when they portray evil is for evils sake it feels a little campy. It has to be done right.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 21, 2020 3:53:03 GMT
The best comic book villains IMO are Zod from Superman 1 and 2, Skeletor (there was a He-Man comic), Stryker from X-Men 2. The last was more nuanced since his wife was killed thanks to their son so it added an extra layer of complexity, and Obadiah Stane.
I think they were the most compelling.
The last was good in how he would lecture the person he was victimizing, like telling Tony Stark he was so selfish as he has a heart attack.
And he was intensely passionate too.
"Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps!"
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Post by hobowar on Sept 21, 2020 14:27:42 GMT
I was thinking if a villain is considered a well written villain if they have character development and progression like Loki and Pheonix's Joker or if they should just feel like a large threat and have interesting motivations like Thanos and Heath Ledger's Joker? Both. There's no one way to do villains.
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Post by hobowar on Sept 21, 2020 14:31:57 GMT
Ultron and Killmonger are my favourite cbm villains because they have a certain je ne sais quoi.
Tony Stark and Odin are also great in my opinion.
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Post by hobowar on Sept 21, 2020 17:47:09 GMT
Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Vader
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Post by politicidal on Sept 21, 2020 18:06:35 GMT
Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Vader ? At the end of the movie, Anakin realizes they’re the same guy so he shoots himself with a blaster to rid the Vader persona. |
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Post by hobowar on Sept 21, 2020 18:50:58 GMT
Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Vader ? At the end of the movie, Anakin realizes they’re the same guy so he shoots himself with a blaster to rid the Vader persona.
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