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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 17:53:08 GMT
Wasn't expecting much but was pretty much blown away. Exceptional work, especially with the setpieces which easily rival the likes of Mad Max Fury Road. Not without flaws but the final product is such a fun adrenaline rush which makes it easy to overlook the shortcomings (which are few and far between to be completely honest). Think Mission Impossible Fallout by way of Chris Nolan. Drove 8hrs from WA to OR to see this during peak fires. Got ticketed multiple times, almost died a few dozen times on the road and the snake I picked up from a Python breeder died on the way home but it was entirely worth it. Was magical being back in a theater. New Chris Nolan ranking:
Dunkirk 10/10 Memento 9/10 Tenet 9/10 Inception 8/10 The Prestige 8/10 Interstellar 7/10 TDK 7/10 Batman Begins 5/10 Insomnia 4/10 TDKR 3/10
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Post by Vits on Sept 28, 2020 18:28:10 GMT
I don't want to encourage anyone to risk their lives. The only reason why I saw TENET is because the cinema I went to had the proper safety measures and because I live in Rome, where the COVID-19 cases aren't as high as other places (at least for now). If your situation is similar to mine, that's a whole other conversation. Now, the plot revolves around a secret mission. So secret that, a couple of times, the agents and the employers discuss it in public, including a ferry where they're surrounded by people. Wait, what? Like most of Christopher Nolan's works, we have a complicated plot involving a lot of real science and philosophy in our hands. Unfortunately, there's something missing that was present in his previous projects: Strong emotions that drive the main characters through their journey (a husband trying to kill his wife's murderer, a father who misses his son and daughter, a father who misses his daughter and I guess his son too, etc...). Here, we learn nothing about our hero. And don't tell me that's the point, like in DUNKIRK. That was because the soldiers served as vessels for the viewers to insert ourselves into, in order to feel what it's like to be in a war zone. Not to mention that 2017 hit was designed to be a complete visual and auditory experience. This one balances the images and the audio the same way most movies do, and the protagonist is presented as a real person. Without knowing what motivates him on a personal level (instead of just wanting to save the world), I couldn't connect with him and, by extension, with the movie. Also, he and a lot of the other characters are similar in terms of personality, whether they're displaying their inner strength, their intelligence or their sense of humor, so they don't stand out, unlike INCEPTION with its group of distinct individuals. Speaking of that 2010 classic, it didn't matter that the events were written as a traditional heist film, because they took place inside people's dreams. All kinds of unpredictable and imaginative things happened in each environment. Here, a special element is introduced early on, but it's not used to the fullest until the 2nd half. The 1st half is a traditional spy film (and not a very interesting one) that occasionally turns into science fiction. It would be easy to dismiss Jennifer Lame's editing as choppy. I mean, I can't remember a shot lasting more than 5 or even 2 seconds (to be fair, I wasn't actually timing them). There are even moments where a character is doing something and in the very next shot they're doing something else in another part of the room, indicating that at least a couple of seconds have passed. However, that and the near total lack of establishing shots makes me think that her hands were tied and she was just doing her best to reduce the running time down to 150 minutes. Honestly, I would've preferred it if she had deleted full scenes. Trust me: Not all of them were indispensable. No other aspect about this production is bad at all, but without something to get invested in, what's the point? 5/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Sept 28, 2020 18:38:44 GMT
Hell yeah! Glad you loved it, too.
And it gets better the more I think about it.
What’d you think of the score?
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Post by politicidal on Sept 29, 2020 14:15:52 GMT
Glad to hear it.
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Post by Nora on Sept 29, 2020 19:04:01 GMT
Hell yeah! Glad you loved it, too. And it gets better the more I think about it. What’d you think of the score? I know a lot of people complained about it but I personally liked it a lot. How about you?
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Post by sdrew13163 on Sept 29, 2020 19:50:00 GMT
Hell yeah! Glad you loved it, too. And it gets better the more I think about it. What’d you think of the score? I know a lot of people complained about it but I personally liked it a lot. How about you? I love the soundtrack. Probably one of my favorites of the last decade.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 23:14:04 GMT
Hell yeah! Glad you loved it, too. And it gets better the more I think about it. What’d you think of the score? Loved the score, even prefer it to Zimmer’s work in Inception to be completely honest. Hard to hear some dialogue I guess but I felt the whole sound mixing complaint to be exaggerated. It had a strong presence that would’ve been sorely missed if it were any quieter.
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Post by kevin on Sept 30, 2020 14:49:19 GMT
I liked it quite a bit (7/10), although I didn't love it as much as some other Nolan movies. Some of my thoughts I wrote down directly after watching the movie:
"Tenet is Christopher Nolan's newest movie and probably the most Nolany Nolan movie to date, which has both positive but also its negative effects. The good thing is that it really feels like Nolan doesn't care what anyone else thinks. He just makes what he wants to make and if the public enjoys it that's fine, otherwise it's also fine. I'm sure he does want the audience to enjoy it, but I'm just describing how the movie feels not what or how Nolan thinks. Because of this, this is probably the movie where Nolan has the most (i.e. complete) creative freedom. But like f.e. Lucas before him, too much creative freedom can also result in a messier product. I think we may have finally reached the point where Nolan made a movie as complex as possible, just for the sake of being complex.
The concept of forward/backward time is relatively easy, but Nolan just throws layer after layer after layer until it's difficult to near-impossible to figure out where everyone is and what everyone is doing in real time. It makes it a complex puzzle, but not because the actual mechanics are difficult, simply because he throws 20 puzzles at you at once. In that sense this movie is different from his previous puzzles like Interstellar, Inception, The Prestige and Memento and definitely less elegant. I think that's the movie's biggest flaw. In that sense it kinda feels like Game of Thrones season 7, which was still very fun to watch, but where it more felt like someone trying to imitate the previous Game of Thrones seasons by using spectacle instead of also adding the right dialogue. And in that sense Tenet feels like Nolan trying to make another Inception-esque puzzle, but without the intricate but graceful mechanics of that movie, instead relying on adding 10x as many layers until it feels similar.
And that might sound quite negative, especially for this rating, and I think that for some people that will be the end of the story. Most of the characters, while well-acted by Washington and Pattinson, are also not that fleshed out and Nolan's writing for female characters continues to be meh. However, as a director and choreographer of scenes, Nolan might be unmatched in the current movie landscape. So the question is: do you care about the movie? If you can't connect to the characters and the plot, then the answer will be no. But I personally strapped myself in, looked past the debatable physics explanation and was all for a cinema thrillride after not going there for over 6 months. I can't really pinpoint why, but despite the lack of connection between the characters and the audience and the puzzle being more convoluted than complex, I still loved watching everything unfold and trying to keep up with what was going on.
Just take the opening scene. Beyond the plot and characters, just the plain incredible directing is enough for me to just sit back and watch in awe. The editing is great and the soundtrack phenomenal. Since I'm watching this in the Netherlands there are always subtitles below movies in the cinema. I usually don't read them, but I guess when the sound is too loud to hear the dialogue my brain automatically instead reads the subtitles. It seems to be so automated over the years that I can't recall whether and/or how often the music was too loud for me to hear the dialogue, but because of those subtitles it never really bothered me. But I can imagine that without subtitles it could be an issue.
Anyways, in the end Tenet was an amazing experience back in the theater, even if after you arrive home it doesn't really stick with you as much as previous Nolan movies. Had Tenet dialed back a bit on the many time layers in the 3rd act and focused more on giving emotional weight to the characters, we could've had another Inception like success. As it stands, Tenet is not that and probably sits near the lower tier of Nolan movies, but for me it was a great experience and definitely something that you should see on the big screen. - 7/10"
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Post by Nora on Sept 30, 2020 16:21:52 GMT
I have contemplated seeing it, but there is really not one Nolan film that I have seen that I liked very much. i am right there with you on Nolan, but this one kept me enterained the whole insane runtime very easily - with minimal or maybe even no cringe. which i cant say about all of his other movies.
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Post by senan90 on Sept 30, 2020 16:49:01 GMT
I have contemplated seeing it, but there is really not one Nolan film that I have seen that I liked very much. i am right there with you on Nolan, but this one kept me enterained the whole insane runtime very easily - with minimal or maybe even no cringe. which i cant say about all of his other movies. I don't get it Nora, I share the same sentiment about Nolan -- his films aren't my cup of tea, but this was by far his dullest work. At least Interstellar, with its mushy melodrama, had something going on. Tenet is a tedious watch, and I really can't stand this plot heaviness that supplants character development in all of his films.
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Post by Nora on Sept 30, 2020 17:05:20 GMT
i am right there with you on Nolan, but this one kept me enterained the whole insane runtime very easily - with minimal or maybe even no cringe. which i cant say about all of his other movies. I don't get it Nora, I share the same sentiment about Nolan -- his films aren't my cup of tea, but this was by far his dullest work. At least Interstellar, with its mushy melodrama, had something going on. Tenet is a tedious watch, and I really can't stand this plot heaviness that supplants character development in all of his films. I was thinking about that and it is Possible that the fact it was the first movie I saw at the cinema after 6 months of enforced restricons - that could have played into How Much I enjoyed it.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 16, 2021 12:29:13 GMT
Finally rented Tenet and saw it yesterday. iTunes was selling it for a long time but finally put it up to rent.
I had studied the spoilers endlessly and still didn't really understand it all that well, so I wasn't going to see it.
Now I do understand it after seeing it (although some of the action sequences with people moving forwards and backwards at the same time are still mindboggling to me and the specific moments are not completely clear).
I don't care about that.
It's a well-made movie with quite spectacular cinematography so I'm glad I finally saw it.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 16, 2021 12:35:01 GMT
A couple of times, I saw Denzel's son walking the same way Denzel walks in movies sometimes.
Also, when he was calling out to Neil from a distance, his voice sounded very similar to Denzel's voice.
Denzel has an incredible amount of charisma and I'm not sure that his son will ever get there, but a lot of the charisma has to do with Denzel smiling from time to time.
There wasn't much opportunity to smile in Tenet.
I like the son a lot, though.
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Post by johnblutarsky on Feb 2, 2021 1:49:36 GMT
!desufnoc os m‘I
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Post by Morgana on Feb 2, 2021 9:34:16 GMT
I have contemplated seeing it, but there is really not one Nolan film that I have seen that I liked very much. I didn't like it much but of course that doesn't mean that you won't. Still, in my opinion Nolan is overrated; he can very self-indulgent. I hate it how his fanboys go on movie sites and just keep on voting until anything he does has a score of at least 9/10.
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Post by SciFive on Feb 2, 2021 12:20:46 GMT
As I recall, I was pretty determined not to see Tenet so I read up on the plot details in Wikipedia.
It was difficult to understand it.
When it was available to rent on iTunes, I decided to see it (for the cinematography) and I still had trouble understanding it.
I liked it anyway.
I watched it three times as a rental and I finally feel like I understand it pretty well, although there is a big scene with people moving forwards and backwards in large groups that I don't really try to understand bit by bit.
I take it for granted that they knew what they were doing.
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