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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 29, 2020 15:05:00 GMT
When compared to Kubrick’s other films, does this feel somewhat shallow? Certainly not as thought provoking as 2001 or Clockwork Orange. Obviously, there is the continuing theme of dehumanization. I still like the movie, but maybe I’m missing something.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 29, 2020 15:27:33 GMT
The first half is kind of what I expected but the second half once they're in Vietnam did feel a bit goofier.
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Post by ck100 on Sept 29, 2020 16:08:26 GMT
Maltin Movie Guide Review:
Full Metal Jacket (1987) - 3 out of 4 stars
"Adaptation of Gustav Harford's The Short Timers is divided into two sections: a harrowing look at Marine basic training on Paris Island; and combat experiences in Vietnam. The first half is so strong (thanks in part to real life former D.I. Ermey) that the second half suffers in comparison, as it covers more familiar ground, while keeping emotions in check. Still, it's compelling, well acted, and supremely well crafted, certainly in keeping with Kubrick's recurring theme of dehumanization. Original music by Abigail Mead, aka Vivian Kubrick, the director's daughter. Filmed in England."
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Sept 29, 2020 16:21:02 GMT
The basic training scenes are hilarious. The scenes in Vietnam are meh.
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Post by Reynard on Sept 29, 2020 16:24:37 GMT
I don't think it's shallow, but it feels less like a "Kubrick movie" than anything else he made from 2001: A Space Odyssey onwards. The first half is much more fascinating and Kubrick-like than the second half.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 29, 2020 16:45:39 GMT
The basic training scenes are hilarious. The scenes in Vietnam are meh. Hartman’s insults are comedy cold. Too bad he was stupid enough to berate Pvt. Pyle knowing he had a weapon locked and loaded.
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Post by dirtypillows on Sept 29, 2020 16:54:12 GMT
The basic training scenes are hilarious. The scenes in Vietnam are meh. Hartman’s insults are comedy cold. Too bad he was stupid enough to berate Pvt. Pyle knowing he had a weapon locked and loaded. I know it was his job, but I hated how Hartman treated poor Pyle, who should never have been admitted into the army in the first place. I feel Hartman was a sadist and I did not feel bad about what happened to him. But to answer your question, I felt, like everyone else, that the first half was rich and vivid and the second was rather ordinary. I felt "Eyes Wide Shut" was very shallow. Not much there at all.
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Post by Vits on Sept 29, 2020 17:29:28 GMT
6/10
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 29, 2020 17:36:28 GMT
Great movie, and by that I mean the whole thing, none of this "only the first half is good" silliness.
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Post by mikef6 on Sept 29, 2020 18:58:35 GMT
Maltin Movie Guide Review: Full Metal Jacket (1987) - 3 out of 4 stars
"Adaptation of Gustav Harford's The Short Timers is divided into two sections: a harrowing look at Marine basic training on Paris Island; and combat experiences in Vietnam. The first half is so strong (thanks in part to real life former D.I. Ermey) that the second half suffers in comparison, as it covers more familiar ground, while keeping emotions in check. Still, it's compelling, well acted, and supremely well crafted, certainly in keeping with Kubrick's recurring theme of dehumanization. Original music by Abigail Mead, aka Vivian Kubrick, the director's daughter. Filmed in England." The second half is only Excellent while the training sequence is absolute Brilliance. It has you laughing and cringing at the same time all the way through. Makes you feel like you have really been put through a wringer.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 29, 2020 21:31:17 GMT
Certainly not as thought provoking as 2001 or Clockwork Orange. Obviously, there is the continuing theme of dehumanization. I still like the movie, but maybe I’m missing something. Well, you pointed out the shared theme between the three. Where does FMJ fall short? I think the shot where Joker kills the sniper, and the way his peace sign is slowly obscured, is one of the most clever visuals in any of his films.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 29, 2020 21:40:34 GMT
I don't' think it is more shallow, it is just dealing with less interesting subject matter imo. I also think that Matthew Modine is mediocre throughout the entire movie and I dislike some of Kubrick's directing choices in the second half of the movie.
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Post by phantomparticle on Sept 30, 2020 22:30:39 GMT
The hysterically funny R. Lee Ermey drives the first half of the movie until it turns dark and segues into the tense second act, both of which perfectly bookend the story.
Like Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket is an hallucinatory descent into the madness of war. The final shot of the Mickey Mouse Club generation turned into killers marching through a burning hell is one of the great closing scenes in the war film genre.
I don't think you can call that shallow.
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Post by kolchak92 on Oct 1, 2020 0:53:14 GMT
Not my favorite Kubrick film, but there's certainly a lot of effective and memorable moments in it. And it was interesting to see a Vietnam War film not set in the jungles.
My biggest gripe with it is the fact that there are basically only two really interesting characters, and both of them are dead by the end of the first half.
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Post by Marv on Oct 1, 2020 1:08:21 GMT
It’s my favorite Kubrick film.
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