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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 29, 2020 19:38:53 GMT
when certain movies get attacked and vilified for winning an Oscar over another movie? Ordinary People is a perfect example, just because it beat Raging Bull doesn't necessarily mean it isn't a great movie in itself.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 29, 2020 19:55:18 GMT
Yes, it bothers me as well.
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Post by Catman on Sept 29, 2020 19:57:40 GMT
Most of the time. A notable exception is when Frozen won best Animated Feature over The Wind Rises.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 19:58:22 GMT
Ordinary People deserved an Oscar. It was brilliant in its portrayal of emotional abuse that is hidden in plain site, which is usually the way it happens as opposed to the way it is normally portrayed in film. The standout for me was Judd Hirsch, who showed what a great dramatic actor he really is. The rest of the cast was also great, and it renains Robbins' best work to date IMO.
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Post by dirtypillows on Sept 29, 2020 20:34:57 GMT
when certain movies get attacked and vilified for winning an Oscar over another movie? Ordinary People is a perfect example, just because it beat Raging Bull doesn't necessarily mean it isn't a great movie in itself. I love "Ordinary People" and can watch it again and again. I loathe "Raging Bull". |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 20:44:56 GMT
when certain movies get attacked and vilified for winning an Oscar over another movie? Ordinary People is a perfect example, just because it beat Raging Bull doesn't necessarily mean it isn't a great movie in itself. I love "Ordinary People" and can watch it again and again. I loathe "Raging Bull". Donald Sutherland, I've always lived him. He has a certain sex appeal to him with that long, lanky look. And he was brilkiant in this film as the man coming to terms with who his wife really is versus the image she always sold herself as. |
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Post by dirtypillows on Sept 29, 2020 20:56:58 GMT
I love "Ordinary People" and can watch it again and again. I loathe "Raging Bull". Donald Sutherland, I've always lived him. He has a certain sex appeal to him with that long, lanky look. And he was brilkiant in this film as the man coming to terms with who his wife really is versus the image she always sold herself as. I've always liked Donald Sutherland, too. I think he's underrated. |
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Sept 29, 2020 21:17:13 GMT
It's silly to attack and vilify them, but I still find it preposterous that Chariots of Fire beat out both Reds and Raiders of the Lost Ark, Forrest Gump was deemed better than Pulp Fiction, and Harvey was able to buy Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan.
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Post by jcush on Sept 29, 2020 21:19:13 GMT
Yes and I agree with your example. I prefer Raging Bull, but Ordinary People is a very good movie.
Another example is Kramer vs. Kramer. I think that's a terrific movie, but people seem to rarely mention it without bringing up Apocalypse Now.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 29, 2020 21:48:14 GMT
It’s not a pet peeve for me since it’s subjective.
I don’t think Spotlight or Moonlight were the Best Picture although I liked the just fine.
I look at it as any nominee could win so it’s naive to think mine is going to win.
I think Best Director is a better gauge of quality and more worthy of outrage when it goes to the “wrong” person.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Sept 29, 2020 23:08:38 GMT
I think losing the Oscar does far greater for a film's legacy forever more than ever winning it.
Forever an 'underdog'.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 29, 2020 23:32:03 GMT
As someone who thought Crash deserved it's Oscar, I was angry at the way so many people turned on it after it beat Brokeback Mountain.
P.s. True story, after I wrote "Brokeback", my phone autosuggested "Mounting". Apparently, my phone is a fan of porn parody titles.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 29, 2020 23:41:40 GMT
Yep ... major major pet peeve !
Right up there with someone else should have won for actor / actress etc so hate the whole movie !
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Post by twothousandonemark on Sept 30, 2020 3:28:21 GMT
My pet peeve is retro Oscar bashing.
They were awards voted on within their cinematic year. The Oscars are not & should not be, for Best Picture That Ages the Best 5-10 Years From Now because art reflects humanity & culture, & art is of its moment... & the Oscars right have always held to that.
Finely aged films get beyond more their just due, including as I posted nearly as much if not more attention if they do not win Best Picture.
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Post by Stammerhead on Sept 30, 2020 8:43:12 GMT
Most of the time. A notable exception is when Frozen won best Animated Feature over The Wind Rises. 
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Post by Vits on Sept 30, 2020 8:51:32 GMT
Yes. It's fine to discuss award results when we disagree with them, but it's not fair to treat a decent movie as a bad movie just because you think it's overrated.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 11:49:02 GMT
Donald Sutherland, I've always loved him. He has a certain sex appeal to him with that long, lanky look. And he was brilliant in this film as the man coming to terms with who his wife really is versus the image she always sold herself as. And yet Beth, for all her flaws, still manages to be shrouded in a sympathetic stance which is to Moore's credit. I don't come away hating on her, like the way I feel about that controlling narcissistic wretch Nurse Ratched in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest - 75'. Beth wasn't exactly a warm person, she was a privileged person and to her, that privilege need have afforded her some sense of control and order always. When it all "tragically" fell apart, something that I feel must've have evaded her for much of her life, she just couldn't cope with it. Image of self and materialistic gain left her hollow inside. She appeared to dote on her oldest son and losing her younger son didn't appear to mean anything to her, other than how it affected her. Tragedy shattered her rose coloured delusion of perfection and structure and she could only give of herself and love conditionally. It is heart-breaking seeing Calvin near the end crying at the dining room table and coming to a epiphany about his wife's lack of "authentic" love. Something he evidently didn't see from the start and that must have hurt him the most. Sutherland was exceptional as Calvin and it is the finest performance I have ever seen him give. It didn't have the showy histrionics that can get attributed to great acting and something that De Niro got undue praise for over Sutherland with Raging Bull. Yet De Niro exhibited similar subtle and nuanced qualities in one of his finest, if not finest performance, 2 yrs earlier in The Deer Hunter - 78'. ITA with all of this. A brilliant film all the way around. |
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