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Post by leafs27 on Sept 30, 2020 13:50:35 GMT
I find it HIGHLY IMPROBABLE that Allie and Tripp meet in London and then both discover they are from Salem and don't bother to ask if they know so and so. And how does Tripp have NO CLUE who Allie's family is? He lived with and dated TWO of Allie's cousins??? His step-mother is Allie's great aunt??? Seems a little far fetched even if Sami and her people have been off screen, that Tripp would never have know who they are.
That being said, I am super glad that they aren't dragging out this paternity thing.
1. The look on Tripp's face when Steve told him about the baby, that was great.
2. Why would Steve say Allie is John's granddaughter when the ENTIRE argument with Sami and John was that John is NOT Allie's family? It would have made more sense for Steve to say, Allie is Kayla's niece, or MY Niece for crying out loud - doesn't Sami call Steve "Uncle Steve?" Sometimes the writer's are so careless with dialogue.
3. Based on the way Allie is telling the story to Nicole, sounds like maybe Allie was raped or wasn't entirely on board with having sex with Tripp? Or maybe he bolted after and she felt used. Obviously something is not sitting well with her about their encounter.
Anyway, I am actually enjoying this storyline and Allie and Tripp.
What I am not enjoying is Nicole being so up Allie's butt. Normally I like Nicole but not lately. She's way overstepping IMO. It's not like Allie is a teenager, she is an adult. She doesn't need to be her mother.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 30, 2020 14:28:58 GMT
I find it HIGHLY IMPROBABLE that Allie and Tripp meet in London and then both discover they are from Salem and don't bother to ask if they know so and so. And how does Tripp have NO CLUE who Allie's family is? He lived with and dated TWO of Allie's cousins??? His step-mother is Allie's great aunt??? Seems a little far fetched even if Sami and her people have been off screen, that Tripp would never have know who they are. That being said, I am super glad that they aren't dragging out this paternity thing. 1. The look on Tripp's face when Steve told him about the baby, that was great. 2. Why would Steve say Allie is John's granddaughter when the ENTIRE argument with Sami and John was that John is NOT Allie's family? It would have made more sense for Steve to say, Allie is Kayla's niece, or MY Niece for crying out loud - doesn't Sami call Steve "Uncle Steve?" Sometimes the writer's are so careless with dialogue. 3. Based on the way Allie is telling the story to Nicole, sounds like maybe Allie was raped or wasn't entirely on board with having sex with Tripp? Or maybe he bolted after and she felt used. Obviously something is not sitting well with her about their encounter. Anyway, I am actually enjoying this storyline and Allie and Tripp. What I am not enjoying is Nicole being so up Allie's butt. Normally I like Nicole but not lately. She's way overstepping IMO. It's not like Allie is a teenager, she is an adult. She doesn't need to be her mother. I've read the plot description about how Allie describes her experience in Long; which definitely sounds like she might have been drugged or something. But that makes me wonder if they're going to have the other shoe drop and while Allie will think Trip is the father, that he assaulted her, it really won't be him, but someone else; and Trip was involved in some other way? It's not impossible, but it seems unlikely they'd bring Trip back and then make him a rapist, but then I haven't watched in a while and never really saw much of Trip's story; so maybe that's not so far out of the realm of possibility, depending on what else they've done with his character. I don't think it's so outlandish for Steve to describe Allie as John's granddaughter. Just because that's Sami's hang-up (when it's convenient for the plot), that's not necessarily how her children sees it. Will has a very close relationship to Marlena and clearly doesn't always see eye to eye with Sami, so while I can't think of John and Will sharing much screen time together, I imagine Will probably sees John as grandpa, as well as Roman; and it wouldn't be too surprising if Allie, Johnny and Sydney all feel the same way. A lot of these relationships are ambiguous until we're explicitly told one way or another, since it's all happening offscreen; especially when one character isn't around for long periods and then they age them. It's like that bullshit with Max and Stephanie, where they suggested that two members of the close-knit Brady family who end up in the same racing circuit, had so little to do with each other over the years, that Max had no idea who she was and could develop romantic feelings for his niece.... 🙄
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Post by leafs27 on Sept 30, 2020 14:56:06 GMT
When Tripp was first on and he found out what happened to his mother he tried to sabotage Kayla at the hospital and he wasn't a good guy but they redeemed him and he is decent now.
But yes it also crossed my mind that someone else is the father and that person did whatever to Allie and Tripp tried to help and her memory is foggy because of the drugs/drinks...
I don't know, it just would have made more sense in context of the conversation between Steve and Tripp, who apparently doesn't know who anyone is, to say Kayla's niece or Ciara's cousin or relate it to someone he actually knows, versus his dad's friend he barely knows who isn't related to her at all. There's no shortage of Allie's relatives Tripp is connected to who could have been used a familial reference - even JJ is Allie's cousin and Tripp lived with JJ!
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Post by glozone on Sept 30, 2020 14:56:46 GMT
The thing that bugged me about Steve describing Allie as John's granddaughter was that he said it in response to Tripp's question of "Wait, Horton? As in Horton Horton?" To respond with "Yeah, she's John's granddaughter" doesn't answer his question. We can quibble about whether or not John could be considered Allie's grandfather, but he's not a Horton by any stretch of the definition. Plus it's not like John's some big connection or touch-point to Tripp to help with the context. Tripp hears "John's granddaughter" and he's going to be thinking like "Claire had a sister? Since when?"
Kayla's niece would have worked, but I don't see why Steve wouldn't have naturally said Lucas and Sami's daughter or Will's sister. Tripp knows (or knows of) all those people and those are closer more immediate relations.
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Post by leafs27 on Sept 30, 2020 16:05:03 GMT
Exactly, the context should have been equating Allie Horton's connection to someone Tripp actually knows, like Kayla, JJ, Ciara, Claire, Will, etc.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 30, 2020 16:39:07 GMT
I don't know, I've got family ties like that with second and third cousins I grew up with; and if it was relative to me, I'd probably say, "yeah, it's my cousin". But if the connection is more circuitous, I'm not sure how I'd describe the relation, especially if it's more roundabout, like through marriage or something. Then you're getting into area that, without nuance, could be misconstrued, at least by someone not in the know like Trip, as him being related to Allie; and all the different ways she's related to people are convoluted enough. They were probably looking for a point of reference that was direct, but unrelated to Trip.
The dialog making the association with the Hotrons is definitely important context, but I'm not sure responding to that with Allie being Kayla's niece or grand-niece or whatever would make any more sense, since they're related on the Brady side. Would Trip know Jennifer? She's Steve's sister and law and would Allie would be her niece.
For a second I entertained the idea of a retcon that would make John a Horton, like if he turned out to be Tommy Jr's son, but then I remembered Shawn's a Horton, so that wouldn't be a good idea...
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Post by leafs27 on Sept 30, 2020 18:44:20 GMT
Tripp is blood related to Steve, Jack, JJ, Abigail, Sonny. I assume by that he would know who Jennifer is - she is married to his uncle.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 30, 2020 20:01:28 GMT
Tripp is blood related to Steve, Jack, JJ, Abigail, Sonny. I assume by that he would know who Jennifer is - she is married to his uncle. True, but that doesn't mean he's met any of them, and since I haven't watched much when he was last on, I don't know if he ever did.
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Post by glozone on Sept 30, 2020 20:53:20 GMT
Tripp and J.J. know each other very well, they were even roommates for a time and got into a very brief triangle over Haley, although Tripp never took that too far and ultimately moved out and left town partly to get out of their way. . He also knows Will and Sonny, and has interacted with Jack. Jennifer, I'm not sure, but he's bound to have at some point. Granted, it's possible Steve doesn't know all this since he was gone for much of this. But then again, I don't know why Steve would think Tripp would know John any better than any of those people. John is someone I can not recall Tripp interacting with, although it's certainly possible they have, since I missed Tripp's first year.
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Post by leafs27 on Sept 30, 2020 22:37:23 GMT
Really it's not a big deal but I do not recall John and Tripp having a conversation or interaction.
It really just makes no sense that of all the BLOOD RELATIVES Tripp has who are ALSO related to Allie, let alone his step-mother and ex-girlfriends, John's connection to Allie should not have been the one that would make Tripp clue in to Allie's lineage/family ties, etc.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Sept 30, 2020 23:43:29 GMT
Really it's not a big deal but I do not recall John and Tripp having a conversation or interaction. It really just makes no sense that of all the BLOOD RELATIVES Tripp has who are ALSO related to Allie, let alone his step-mother and ex-girlfriends, John's connection to Allie should not have been the one that would make Tripp clue in to Allie's lineage/family ties, etc. One reason though, might be to avoid any possible implications of them being blood related, while proposing the possibility that Trip fathered a child with her.
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Post by leafs27 on Oct 1, 2020 13:11:01 GMT
That might be the only reason!
Especially since Nicole had to spell it out for Allie that Tripp wasn't blood related to her.
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Post by glozone on Oct 1, 2020 15:57:39 GMT
That might be the only reason! Especially since Nicole had to spell it out for Allie that Tripp wasn't blood related to her. And I do feel like that if you have to explicitly spell it out for the audience why this pairing would work because it's not technically incest... you've already lost the war.
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