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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 19:57:08 GMT
The theaters have ruined modern cinema because all Hollywood studios care about is pouring in 100s of Millions of dollars into pure action, superhero, or franchises that guarantee box office revenue. Or pander to the Chinese Market.
Reboots and remakes because they are less of a risk than original films that may not strike a cord with audiences.
Now. With Theater at home and streaming devices, they can take more risks. Make more original content.
Think about it. They could afford to risk making a noir detective film, or an old style epic, or puppet films (e.g. Dark Crystal on NETFLIX) or whatever. Black and white horror films. Swords and sandals epics, musicals, new bold ideas.
Then they could keep enough cinemas open to just put good movies in them if let’s say a movie comes out on Hulu or NETFLIX, or HBO Max... then release it in cinemas.
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Post by gw on Oct 4, 2020 20:15:46 GMT
I'd like to see a good puppet film. There's a lot to do in that area that hasn't been done yet. Puppetry is in many ways more practical than animation because you don't have to do everything frame by frame. Put together animatronics and Jordan Belson style effects and it could make for a great space opera.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 21:17:29 GMT
I'd like to see a good puppet film. There's a lot to do in that area that hasn't been done yet. Puppetry is in many ways more practical than animation because you don't have to do everything frame by frame. Put together animatronics and Jordan Belson style effects and it could make for a great space opera. There was a brief window where it was popular, right before the Disney Renaissance and then Shrek and CGI took over. I’d like to see that too. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 4, 2020 21:42:09 GMT
There’s plenty of good movies.
However, let’s pretend there weren’t, it would change nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 22:07:19 GMT
There’s plenty of good movies. However, let’s pretend there weren’t, it would change nothing. I disagree. There is too much garbage. I’d prefer 50 million dollars to go towards one well written, well acted and directed western with an allegory about modern society. Or an epic, or black and white noir film. Great story telling. Multiple great films. As opposed to 250 million to one big Marvel or Transformers film. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 4, 2020 22:18:31 GMT
There’s plenty of good movies. However, let’s pretend there weren’t, it would change nothing. I disagree. There is too much garbage. I’d prefer 50 million dollars to go towards one well written, well acted and directed western with an allegory about modern society. Or an epic, or black and white noir film. Great story telling. Multiple great films. As opposed to 250 million to one big Marvel or Transformers film. more movies are being released which means more garbage. That doesn’t mean good films don’t exist and especially if we were to just be concerned with your tastes. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 4, 2020 22:18:38 GMT
But do they make these things because it guarantees revenue or is it just that they are lazy and don't worry about the long term because they don't care? If the New Wave came about because Hollywood wanted to capture the youth market--it doesn't matter to them now since there isn't any competition for it. They don't behave like a normal business--you do not seek to alienate your customer. Even Coca-Cola immediately switched from New Coke.
Is there any business that listens to customers less than Hollywood?
The necessary environment for film production is money for production and access to distribution to ensure that the product reaches a receptive audience. And then hopefully building a reputation to have repeat success.
Professional artists and investors will have little means or incentive to work if they do not have that infrastructure--and the current system rejects probably 90% of concepts that would have been acceptable in previous decades.
The current media companies need to be forced out of the business or given a much reduced market access so there is room for others to compete.
Youtube de-monetized sites that were starting to make $$$.
Have platforms that do not knock off producers if they start to make money and you will have something of an environment to encourage creativity again.
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Post by Reynard on Oct 4, 2020 23:52:16 GMT
I do not know how it is in the United States, but at least in many European countries the situation is that "streaming services" pretty much means Netflix the way that "googling" is used for internet searches. I mean, sure, there are competitors, the problem being they are so much smaller and relatively few people have any interest to use them.
Netflix seems to have very little interest in adding any great number of smaller films to their service, and even less interest in "foreign" (non-English language) cinema and old movies. Seeing them as the savior of quality cinema to me seems unfounded. As it is, streaming is about as centralized as theatrical distribution, if not more. A lot of people seem to have that "is it on Netflix?" attitude, and if it is not, then that film could as well not exist to them.
So I think that ultimately the problem is that people simply do not want to try out and experience different kinds of films the way they still did in the 70s. The problem seems to be a much wider change in culture (not just cinema) and I do expect any major company to be interested in "fixing" that, even if such a fix "from above" was possible. You can bring horse to water... small DVD/Blu-ray companies are struggling and closing down all the time because very few are buying what they have to offer.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 5, 2020 0:07:14 GMT
There probably needs to be genre-specific film studios again--ones that cater to specific kinds of genres...and make them for those who like those genres. Hollywood's blockbuster 4 quadrant mentality is that you don't make a film for specific audiences, you make one film with a little something for all of them and that just leads to chaotic blandness.
You cannot please all of the people all of the time.
Blumhouse and the Asylum are not the answer because the latter deliberately makes bad movies and the former is just as politically-focused as the big ones, just on a smaller scale.
The tastes are way too narrow.
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Post by gw on Oct 5, 2020 1:29:31 GMT
I do not know how it is in the United States, but at least in many European countries the situation is that "streaming services" pretty much means Netflix the way that "googling" is used for internet searches. I mean, sure, there are competitors, the problem being they are so much smaller and relatively few people have any interest to use them. Netflix seems to have very little interest in adding any great number of smaller films to their service, and even less interest in "foreign" (non-English language) cinema and old movies. Seeing them as the savior of quality cinema to me seems unfounded. As it is, streaming is about as centralized as theatrical distribution, if not more. A lot of people seem to have that "is it on Netflix?" attitude, and if it is not, then that film could as well not exist to them. So I think that ultimately the problem is that people simply do not want to try out and experience different kinds of films the way they still did in the 70s. The problem seems to be a much wider change in culture (not just cinema) and I do expect any major company to be interested in "fixing" that, even if such a fix "from above" was possible. You can bring horse to water... small DVD/Blu-ray companies are struggling and closing down all the time because very few are buying what they have to offer. I think that the people with adventurous tastes tend to be videogamers nowadays. Ori, Gris, Insanely Twisted Shadowplanet, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Mario, Cuphead and so on . Somehow Nintendo can make many good Mario games in a row while cinemas struggle to turn out one sequel of artistic merit. Something doesn't add up. Why is it that people are so excited by video games but so un-enthused about animation which video games stem from and how come they can't put out successful sequels in cinema when there's good game sequels so often?
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Post by hi224 on Oct 5, 2020 1:55:03 GMT
The theaters have ruined modern cinema because all Hollywood studios care about is pouring in 100s of Millions of dollars into pure action, superhero, or franchises that guarantee box office revenue. Or pander to the Chinese Market. Reboots and remakes because they are less of a risk than original films that may not strike a cord with audiences. Now. With Theater at home and streaming devices, they can take more risks. Make more original content. Think about it. They could afford to risk making a noir detective film, or an old style epic, or puppet films (e.g. Dark Crystal on NETFLIX) or whatever. Black and white horror films. Swords and sandals epics, musicals, new bold ideas. Then they could keep enough cinemas open to just put good movies in them if let’s say a movie comes out on Hulu or NETFLIX, or HBO Max... then release it in cinemas. no because even streaming will be tempted by an over saturated need to make money.
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