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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Oct 6, 2020 17:43:31 GMT
Insane (well, his prices were)
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 6, 2020 17:46:08 GMT
What about Waterworld 's ![](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/6/60/Deacon_portrait.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190208082027)
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 6, 2020 17:47:35 GMT
Ahab .... Crazed with his need for revenge : ![](https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.eOMUFvio6V53JMJZssyX_wAAAA&pid=Api&P=0&w=277&h=199)
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Post by fangirl1975 on Oct 6, 2020 19:23:03 GMT
Evil- The Red Skull Insane- Loki (he wanted to take over our world because of sibling rivalry, among other issues)
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 6, 2020 20:28:19 GMT
Insanity is a more extreme level of evil in which the person lacks all rationality in their philosophy, thought process, and actions. Being evil usually has a sense of justification as to why the person is perpetuating the deed.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 6, 2020 20:34:35 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanityen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosisen.wikipedia.org/wiki/SchizophreniaSociopaths and psychopaths typically don't fit the category of insane imo. They simply have no ability for empathy or love. Many serial killers seems to have very poor impulse control and suffer from obsessive and intrusive thoughts of harming other people. They act on these behaviors being aware of what they are doing, they just don't care. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#SociopathyIn all cases there are abnormalities in the brain. Typically it is thought that the subtle difference between psychopaths and sociopaths is that the former are born that way and the latter are made through horrible abuse during childhood. Narcissists are similar, but they are capable of a certain amount of empathy and love.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 6, 2020 20:35:03 GMT
What about Waterworld 's ![](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/6/60/Deacon_portrait.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190208082027) Probably a psychopath.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 6, 2020 20:41:44 GMT
Insanity is a more extreme level of evil in which the person lacks all rationality in their philosophy, thought process, and actions. Being evil usually has a sense of justification as to why the person is perpetuating the deed. The difference here in my opinion is that with insane people the act might be evil, but the person is not. There are anti-psychotic drugs and treatment that can help them and then the person can be normal to some extent. They have the ability for empathy and love underneath the condition. For people like Adolph Hitler and Ted Bundy there is no such treatment or medication. Granted the word insane is ill-defined imo.
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Post by gw on Oct 6, 2020 20:45:34 GMT
Personally I think of evil as harming others out of flat disregard for their well being simply because you can. It's like Breathless where the main character doesn't want to be arrested for stealing a car so he kills the police officer. Evil to me is that sort of selfish 'do what you want and never mind if someone else is hurt' attitude.
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 6, 2020 20:45:50 GMT
Insanity is a more extreme level of evil in which the person lacks all rationality in their philosophy, thought process, and actions. Being evil usually has a sense of justification as to why the person is perpetuating the deed. The difference here in my opinion is that with insane people the act might be evil, but the person is not. There are anti-psychotic drugs and treatment that can help them and then the person can be normal to some extent. They have the ability for empathy and love underneath the condition. For people like Adolph Hitler and Ted Bundy there is no such treatment or medication. I can't tell whether you agree or disagree with my assessment, but I do agree that once a person has reached a level of insanity, they are too far gone and any hope of returning back to a normal state of mind is out the window.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 6, 2020 20:51:37 GMT
The difference here in my opinion is that with insane people the act might be evil, but the person is not. There are anti-psychotic drugs and treatment that can help them and then the person can be normal to some extent. They have the ability for empathy and love underneath the condition. For people like Adolph Hitler and Ted Bundy there is no such treatment or medication. I can't tell whether you agree or disagree with my assessment, but I do agree that once a person has reached a level of insanity, they are too far gone and any hope of returning back to a normal state of mind is out the window. I am partly agreeing and partly disagreeing. I didn't say anything about being too far gone when it comes to mental disorder. There is always a chance for successful treatment when it comes to psychotic disorders. Sociopaths and psychopaths never had any chance to begin with. I edited my previous reply to add that the term insane is still somewhat ill-defined imo.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 6, 2020 20:55:10 GMT
Personally I think of evil as harming others out of flat disregard for their well being simply because you can. It's like Breathless where the main character doesn't want to be arrested for stealing a car so he kills the police officer. Evil to me is that sort of selfish 'do what you want and never mind if someone else is hurt' attitude. This^^^ Though there are extreme forms of evil that are seen as a means to an end by the people committing them. Adolph Hitler seemed to think his actions were for the benefit of the human race in the long run. Whether or not there is any truth to that I don't know.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 6, 2020 21:39:47 GMT
I just want to point out that this is an interesting topic.
Science, psychology and Philosophy are the trifecta and everything else comes back to these 3 things imo.
Very fascinating stuff.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 6, 2020 21:43:31 GMT
Personally I think of evil as harming others out of flat disregard for their well being simply because you can. ... Evil to me is that sort of selfish 'do what you want and never mind if someone else is hurt' attitude.This^^^ Though there are extreme forms of evil that are seen as a means to an end by the people committing them... OH Boy ..... is it ever difficult NOT turning this into a politics thread ! ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) and
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 6, 2020 21:46:00 GMT
This^^^ Though there are extreme forms of evil that are seen as a means to an end by the people committing them... OH Boy ..... is it ever difficult NOT turning this into a politics thread ! ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) and I had to put that out there, but just as a side observation.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Oct 6, 2020 21:52:36 GMT
Evil is malicious intent yes? Insane is indifference & uncaring.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 6, 2020 23:01:40 GMT
Hired Killer ... Jack Wilson in Shane -- evil ! ![](https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.7rZ1sqXzyFp0qXmn7bUGUgHaHd&pid=Api&P=0&w=300&h=300) The single black glove and the slow way he puts it on his hand is said to have been Jack Palance's idea !
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Post by marth on Oct 6, 2020 23:24:35 GMT
These ones are psychopats, I mean just evil, not insane:
Anton Chigurh Max Cady John Doe Hans Landa Frank Booth Amy Dunne
Insane:
Norman Bates Jack Torrance
I guess insane, or borderline personality disorder:
Alex Forrest - Fatal Attraction Michael Douglas character (William Foster) - Falling Down
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Post by Gourmando the Reindeer on Oct 7, 2020 2:04:42 GMT
This^^^ Though there are extreme forms of evil that are seen as a means to an end by the people committing them... OH Boy ..... is it ever difficult NOT turning this into a politics thread ! ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) and ![](https://i.gifer.com/2VmO.gif)
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Post by Gourmando the Reindeer on Oct 7, 2020 2:58:41 GMT
evil : Nurse Ratched and no ... she was NOT "just doing her job" ! I cannot begin to express how much I loathe Nurse Ratched. I've always thought she was just so cold. And that her coldness was because of her refusal to give in or acknowledge her sexuality, her femininity. Ken Kesey really did create two brilliant characters in Randall Patrick MacMurphy and Nurse Ratched. Because there ARE females out there who hate and resent men deeply, in the bottom of their black hearts. Simply because they are men. And Bitch Ratched takes full advantage of her station to strip the men of their dignity. What she does to Billy is just the cruelest thing. Oh, and the way she doesn't even feel bad about what happened to Billy! She just turns to look at MacMurphy with her dead eyes as if to say "so there". I love it when MacMurphy chokes her. Oh, heavenly joy! I've never gotten more riled from watching a movie than when he's trying to choke the life out of her. I'm literally climbing on the back of my chair, cheering him on with the other men. So well said. I think Nurse Ratched was evil too. But I don't think she thought she was. She was so cold but she clearly derived satisfaction from her control over the men. What happened with Billy as you so well described and also look at the games she played with the mens' vote on watching the ball game. Taber cracks me up so bad during the choking scene. His facial reactions, eyes, and just everything. He's just going apeshit ! I thought he was going to hurt himself he reacted so intensely. Its like he was trying to will McMurphy to choke her even harder. He was living vicariously through McMurphy and then some in that scene. Great acting by Lloyd, he had to be drawing from something within there. You mean make her light up like a pinball machine and pay out in silver dollars ? ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/c2f5tody1/hehe.gif) To your original question, for an example I think Hannibal Lecter was evil. He was highly intelligent, and methodical and enjoyed killing. I used to rent Manhunter quite a bit on VHS. I watched Red Dragon once. Francis Dolarhyde was insane. He was seeing shit that was not happening. Remember when he well, stalks his blind girlfriend when a coworker gave her a ride home and he 'sees' them kissing but it was not happening in reality, only in his mind. We are shown they simply said goodnight. What a great song for that scene too. "Strong as I am.." ![](https://i.postimg.cc/k4pH2LvR/note.png) I don't believe he enjoyed killing (well maybe just the dude he strapped to a wheelchair and turned into a fireball special) but some damage whithin him drove him to do it. Edited to add- he was a ritualistic killer that thought he would "become" if he killed enough people a certain way at a certain time.
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