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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 7, 2020 22:08:07 GMT
...as revered if it didn't have the iconic Simon and Garfunkel soundtrack? I watched it a while thinking it was just okish, the music seems to be what everyone talks about when they bring up the movie.
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Post by hi224 on Oct 7, 2020 22:10:39 GMT
...as revered if it didn't have the iconic Simon and Garfunkel soundtrack? I watched it a while thinking it was just okish, the music seems to be what everyone talks about when they bring up the movie. it was made at a perfect time, place, and age, and representative of 1960's revolutionary disillusionment as well.
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Post by mortsahlfan on Oct 7, 2020 22:17:46 GMT
I don't know, but I find the movie overrated. There are SO many better movies made in the 60s. Probably a dozen just in that year alone.
"Mrs. Robinson, we don't talk anymore after sex" might have been said by a couple of 22 years, not a 22-yr old guy.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 7, 2020 22:36:27 GMT
I don't know, but I find the movie overrated. There are SO many better movies made in the 60s. Probably a dozen just in that year alone.
"Mrs. Robinson, we don't talk anymore after sex" might have been said by a couple of 22 years, not a 22-yr old guy.
Interesting trivia, did you know Anne Bancroft was only 5 years older than Dustin Hoffman?
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Post by mortsahlfan on Oct 7, 2020 22:39:18 GMT
I don't know, but I find the movie overrated. There are SO many better movies made in the 60s. Probably a dozen just in that year alone.
"Mrs. Robinson, we don't talk anymore after sex" might have been said by a couple of 22 years, not a 22-yr old guy.
Interesting trivia, did you know Anne Bancroft was only 5 years older than Dustin Hoffman? I did. There's quite a few movies like that, where the "son" is only about 10 years younger.. I think "Harry and Tonto" is one, but there are many I'm sure.
Speaking Anne, she was in a very good movie a year or two before, called "The Pumpkin Eater" with Peter Finch.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 8, 2020 1:02:21 GMT
Probably not. It probably also wouldn't be as revered without all the Oscar nominated performances. Or the editing and cinematography. In fact, if there was no camera and audio period and it was just a black screen I'm quite certain it'd be even less revered.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 8, 2020 1:11:15 GMT
Probably not. It probably also wouldn't be as revered without all the Oscar nominated performances. Or the editing and cinematography. In fact, if there was no camera and audio period and it was just a black screen I'm quite certain it'd be even less revered.  Do you think then movie would have anywhere near the same cultural impact it has had without the soundtrack? Keep in mind there have been plenty of iconic movies that don't have particularly memorable music (obviously plenty of silent films)
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 8, 2020 1:20:57 GMT
Would it be as revered? maybe, maybe not, but the screenplay, cinematography and performances are why the movie is as good as it is. The soundtrack is memorable, but it is secondary.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 8, 2020 1:22:18 GMT
Probably not. It probably also wouldn't be as revered without all the Oscar nominated performances. Or the editing and cinematography. In fact, if there was no camera and audio period and it was just a black screen I'm quite certain it'd be even less revered. Do you think then movie would have anywhere near the same cultural impact it has had without the soundtrack? Keep in mind there have been plenty of iconic movies that don't have particularly memorable music (obviously plenty of silent films) Get back to us when we can go back in time and edit out the soundtrack and then come back to the future and see how well it has held up. 
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 8, 2020 1:36:37 GMT
Probably not. It probably also wouldn't be as revered without all the Oscar nominated performances. Or the editing and cinematography. In fact, if there was no camera and audio period and it was just a black screen I'm quite certain it'd be even less revered. Do you think then movie would have anywhere near the same cultural impact it has had without the soundtrack? Keep in mind there have been plenty of iconic movies that don't have particularly memorable music (obviously plenty of silent films) But this one does. I've never gotten the "if this movie didn't have the things people like about it, they wouldn't like it" argument. If the soundtrack elevates it for people, who cares? I guess your underlying point is that a soundtrack doesn't account for the quality of a movie, a medium that has replied on music even in the silent film era contrary to what you think ("Ride of the Valkyries" in Birth of a Nation comes to mind). I don't agree. |
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Post by jcush on Oct 8, 2020 5:37:21 GMT
I don't know. I mean, the soundtrack is great, but it's hardly the only good/great thing about the movie.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 8, 2020 17:00:58 GMT
Do you think then movie would have anywhere near the same cultural impact it has had without the soundtrack? Keep in mind there have been plenty of iconic movies that don't have particularly memorable music (obviously plenty of silent films) But this one does. I've never gotten the "if this movie didn't have the things people like about it, they wouldn't like it" argument. If the soundtrack elevates it for people, who cares? I guess your underlying point is that a soundtrack doesn't account for the quality of a movie, a medium that has replied on music even in the silent film era contrary to what you think ("Ride of the Valkyries" in Birth of a Nation comes to mind). I don't agree. "Would The Dark Knight be as memorable without the Joker?" What would Die Hard be without Hans Gruber, Star Wars without Vader, etc.? Yeah if you removed some of the film's best elements, it wouldn't be as good. Congratulations on cracking the code.
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 8, 2020 17:27:26 GMT
The soundtrack definitely helped, but I do think Benjamin Braddock resonated with a lot of baby boomers. Most of them grew up comfortably middle-class, but they had become disillusioned with American societal expectations at the time and didn't know what to do with their lives.
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Post by Vits on Oct 8, 2020 20:08:52 GMT
Yes. There are a lot of other good elements about it. "Mrs. Robinson, we don't talk anymore after sex" might have been said by a couple of 22 years, not a 22-yr old guy. But he acted like an older guy. That's why she was attracted to him. That's why he didn't have many friends his own age. |
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Post by rudeboy on Oct 9, 2020 0:06:22 GMT
Would it be as revered? maybe, maybe not, but the screenplay, cinematography and performances are why the movie is as good as it is. The soundtrack is memorable, but it is secondary. Most of this. I don’t agree that the soundtrack is secondary, but certainly that the film is a classic for many reasons alongside the music.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 9, 2020 0:11:02 GMT
Would it be as revered? maybe, maybe not, but the screenplay, cinematography and performances are why the movie is as good as it is. The soundtrack is memorable, but it is secondary. Most of this. I don’t agree that the soundtrack is secondary, but certainly that the film is a classic for many reasons alongside the music. What I mean about the soundtrack being secondary, is that the movie would still be very good if the soundtrack were removed. Without the screenplay, cinematography and terrific acting the movie would not be good. The soundtrack just adds something extra.
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Post by rudeboy on Oct 9, 2020 0:46:18 GMT
Okay, gotcha!
I do feel few films have a more iconic soundtrack, where it’s almost impossible for me to imagine the movie without the music, but I see what you mean.
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Post by drystyx on Oct 9, 2020 1:45:59 GMT
Correct analysis. It is a dull movie with dull privileged characters that never were relevant, and owes its entire success to Art and Paul.
In fact, the movie doesn't even fit with the music. It turns out, quite obviously, that Simon and Garfunkel didn't even know the context of Mrs. Robinson when they wrote the song, and that's obvious to any who hears the lyrics of the song and watches the movie. The lyrics don't make one iota of sense in context of the movie.
The hero doesn't even make sense. He gets angry about having sex with a woman and her daughter. That doesn't happen in real life, I can tell you from personal experience.
The hero wants to continue the relationship with the affair out in the open, instead of moving on to another woman. That also doesn't make sense, and only a sicko would do that in real life, condemning his own kids to Thanksgivings at the husband's family alone, never the wife's family.
It's a movie where everyone who isn't a complete monster actually roots for the "other guy" to get the girl. It's just a poor movie all the way around. The music is the only worthwhile part of the movie, and that really makes it even a worse movie for wasting and abusing great music for garbage. Much the same as Leone did to Morricone with spaghetti Westerns.
You're actually being too generous with a failure of a movie.
THE GRADUATE 1/10
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Post by dwightmachinehead on Oct 9, 2020 21:53:31 GMT
An iconic soundtrack or score can elevate a movie to classic levels. It's the same with movies like Jaws, Star Wars, Pulp Fiction etc. John Williams score in Star Wars totally sells it and the way directors like Scorsese and Tarantino score their films with soundtrack not only makes their films more memorable, the songs they use take on a different meaning. Like that song in Reservoir Dogs when Mr Blonde cuts the policeman's ear off, you can't hear it without thinking of that scene. Music in a film is a crucial part of the package as much as the actors.
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