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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 14, 2020 22:30:22 GMT
Marino is 6th for Most Wins By a Starting QB in NFL History
Barkley is arguably the greatest Power Forward of all-time
I'd label them successful
Right, but ultimately Beane is not. His career highlights and awards per Wiki are pretty impressive -
3× Sporting News Executive of the Year (1999, 2012, 2018)
2× Baseball America Major League Executive of the Year (2002, 2013)
2018 MLB Executive of the Year
2012 MLB Executive of the Year
2012 Greatness In Baseball Yearly (GIBBY) Award
2012 Rube Foster Award for AL Executive of the Year
2019 Inducted into the Baseball Reliquary's Shrine of the Eternals
I'd say that's a successful human being
Apparently he's also an Exec in the sport of Soccer and the Software Industry according to Wiki
Fascinating guy.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 14, 2020 22:32:05 GMT
Right, but ultimately Beane is not. His career highlights and awards per Wiki are pretty impressive -
3× Sporting News Executive of the Year (1999, 2012, 2018)
2× Baseball America Major League Executive of the Year (2002, 2013)
2018 MLB Executive of the Year
2012 MLB Executive of the Year
2012 Greatness In Baseball Yearly (GIBBY) Award
2012 Rube Foster Award for AL Executive of the Year
2019 Inducted into the Baseball Reliquary's Shrine of the Eternals
I'd say that's a successful human being
Apparently he's also an Exec in the sport of Soccer and the Software Industry according to Wiki
Fascinating guy.
I don’t see any World Series victories on that list. Do you think the average A’s fan gives a shit about Exec of the Year? No, it’s just another season that they ultimately lost. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 14, 2020 22:34:12 GMT
His career highlights and awards per Wiki are pretty impressive -
3× Sporting News Executive of the Year (1999, 2012, 2018)
2× Baseball America Major League Executive of the Year (2002, 2013)
2018 MLB Executive of the Year
2012 MLB Executive of the Year
2012 Greatness In Baseball Yearly (GIBBY) Award
2012 Rube Foster Award for AL Executive of the Year
2019 Inducted into the Baseball Reliquary's Shrine of the Eternals
I'd say that's a successful human being
Apparently he's also an Exec in the sport of Soccer and the Software Industry according to Wiki
Fascinating guy.
I don’t see any World Series victories on that list. Do you think the average A’s fan gives a shit about Exec of the Year? No, it’s just another season that they ultimately lost. But you asked me if I thought if he was successful
Not if he won a World Series
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 14, 2020 22:35:28 GMT
I don’t see any World Series victories on that list. Do you think the average A’s fan gives a shit about Exec of the Year? No, it’s just another season that they ultimately lost. But you asked me if I thought if he was successful
Not if he won a World Series
But lack of championships, lack of even getting to the World Series, demonstrates that he wasn’t a success. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 14, 2020 22:36:55 GMT
But you asked me if I thought if he was successful
Not if he won a World Series
But lack of championships, lack of even getting to the World Series, demonstrates that he wasn’t a success. But I don't think rings solely dictates if a person is successful
I'd call Allen Iverson successful too
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 14, 2020 22:44:26 GMT
But lack of championships, lack of even getting to the World Series, demonstrates that he wasn’t a success. But I don't think rings solely dictates if a person is successful
I'd call Allen Iverson successful too
Iverson is a player. He didn’t put the team together. Coaches and GMs are judged by championships. Beane didn’t win any yet he put the teams together so ultimately he failed. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 14, 2020 22:50:25 GMT
But I don't think rings solely dictates if a person is successful
I'd call Allen Iverson successful too
Iverson is a player. He didn’t put the team together. Coaches and GMs are judged by championships. Beane didn’t win any yet he put the teams together so ultimately he failed. Would you say Marv Levy was successful.......
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 14, 2020 22:52:34 GMT
Iverson is a player. He didn’t put the team together. Coaches and GMs are judged by championships. Beane didn’t win any yet he put the teams together so ultimately he failed. Would you say Marv Levy was successful.......
Zero rings, four seasons of disappointment. Norwood’s kick makes it and it’s a whole other story. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 14, 2020 22:54:34 GMT
Would you say Marv Levy was successful.......
Zero rings, four seasons of disappointment. Norwood’s kick makes it and it’s a whole other story. I'd say he was successful
He took an NFL team to 4 Super Bowls. Pretty impressive feat.
What about Dan Reeves - would you label him successful......
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 14, 2020 22:56:43 GMT
Zero rings, four seasons of disappointment. Norwood’s kick makes it and it’s a whole other story. I'd say he was successful
He took an NFL team to 4 Super Bowls. Pretty impressive feat.
What about Dan Reeves - would you label him successful......
When did the Broncos win the Super Bowl? When they hired Shanahan and got Terrell Davis. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 14, 2020 22:58:32 GMT
Would you say Marv Levy was successful.......
Zero rings, four seasons of disappointment. Norwood’s kick makes it and it’s a whole other story. I like your Norwood point
So we can agree - that are situations where a GM has properly constructed a team to win a title; however it is the player(s) who ultimately failed.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 14, 2020 22:59:03 GMT
I'd say he was successful
He took an NFL team to 4 Super Bowls. Pretty impressive feat.
What about Dan Reeves - would you label him successful......
When did the Broncos win the Super Bowl? When they hired Shanahan and got Terrell Davis. However Dan Reeves went to 4 Super Bowls
I think that's pretty successful.....
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 14, 2020 23:03:09 GMT
Zero rings, four seasons of disappointment. Norwood’s kick makes it and it’s a whole other story. I like your Norwood point
So we can agree - that are situations where a GM has properly constructed a team to win a title; however it is the player(s) who ultimately failed.
How can you say a team that didn’t win a super bowl was properly constructed to win a Super Bowl? |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 14, 2020 23:03:47 GMT
I like your Norwood point
So we can agree - that are situations where a GM has properly constructed a team to win a title; however it is the player(s) who ultimately failed.
How can you say a team that didn’t win a super bowl was properly constructed to win a Super Bowl? You said yourself above Norwood blew it.
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Post by millar70 on Oct 14, 2020 23:12:47 GMT
How can you say a team that didn’t win a super bowl was properly constructed to win a Super Bowl? You said yourself above Norwood blew it.
I'm not here to argue about whether or not Billy Beane was successful. But I MUST ask..... Dude, you cried watching Moneyball? Now listen, I've cried watching some movies, I have no problem admitting that. As the Big Lebowski himself once said, "strong men can cry", but Moneyball? Really??? |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 14, 2020 23:16:49 GMT
You said yourself above Norwood blew it.
I'm not here to argue about whether or not Billy Beane was successful. But I MUST ask..... Dude, you cried watching Moneyball? Now listen, I've cried watching some movies, I have no problem admitting that. As the Big Lebowski himself once said, "strong men can cry", but Moneyball? Really??? Tears in my eye.
Choked up.
Yes - if you consider that crying than I cried.
I did cry at the end of The Natural too.
And choked up in The Natural when he destroyed the clock at Wrigley.
I balled my eyes out to Warrior too.
Got choked up a few times during Rocky......
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 14, 2020 23:18:41 GMT
How can you say a team that didn’t win a super bowl was properly constructed to win a Super Bowl? You said yourself above Norwood blew it.
Right, a properly constructed team would have had a better more clutch kicker. I don’t get what you don’t get. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 14, 2020 23:19:47 GMT
Warrior is such an emotional film on so many levels.
When he walks in on his Pop drunk talking to himself - I got choked up.
When the two brothers are fighting and they're beating their brains in in the Octagon and Joel Edgerton tells Tom Hardy he loves him and to tap - I lost it.
I got choked up at The Wrestler too with Mickey Rourke - that one hit me since I'm a wrestling fan
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 14, 2020 23:20:30 GMT
You said yourself above Norwood blew it.
Right, a properly constructed team would have had a better more clutch kicker. I don’t get what you don’t get. He had the chance to win the Super Bowl for his team but he blew it.
I don't get what you don't get.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Oct 14, 2020 23:23:43 GMT
Right, a properly constructed team would have had a better more clutch kicker. I don’t get what you don’t get. He had the chance to win the Super Bowl for his team but he blew it.
I don't get what you don't get.
Right, a better kicker would have made it. |
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