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Post by dazz on Oct 19, 2020 15:44:03 GMT
As members of the Terminator franchise I go
1 - TSCC 2 - ROTM 3 - Salvation 4 - Genysys 5 - Dark Fate
As actual just stand alone projects I go
1- TSCC 2 - Dark Fate 3 - Salvation 4 - ROTM 5 - Genysys
Dark Fate if not a Terminator movie would be a really great film, but the fact it sold itself so heavily as a continuation of T2 and then basically shit on it and T1 by being like haha fuck you pissed me off and still does, also as a member of the franchise it rips off ROTM in some major ways without too much thought put into it and in a less thought out way imo, but overall the acting and tone of Dark Fate is miles ahead of ROTM, but it being just another T2 knock off, including knocking off several parts of T3 put it at the bottom of my Terminator list.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 19, 2020 16:20:38 GMT
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003) Not great but at least it felt like a real continuation of the story Terminator: Dark Fate (2019) Not great but at least it felt like a real continuation of the story, and I did like the Grace character
Terminator Salvation (2009) Not great but at least it introduced the Marcus Wright character which I did like, and should have been the lead, and it took the story into the future which I always wanted to see more of
Terminator Genisys (2015) poor, with bad casting; they had none of the urgency or chemistry of the cast from the first T1
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (2008-2009) didn't watch it
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 21, 2020 18:27:18 GMT
As members of the Terminator franchise I go 1 - TSCC 2 - ROTM
Such a wonderful TV series.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 21, 2020 19:31:12 GMT
The recreation of the locations from Terminator 1 in Genysis was pretty good especially since they shot in Atlanta. But they screwed it up with a)the old sounding Arnie voice and b) the people playing Bill Paxton etc not being anything like them.
They could have had a great teaser trailer if they better matched the original and then suddenly older Arnie shows up behind his younger self. They also screwed it up by having the two fight like video game characters. However, I saw that in a theater and the shot of Arnie walking towards the time machine--I would have guessed that was archival footage it looked so convincing. The cgi looked better in a theater than on computer.
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Post by DarkManX on Oct 21, 2020 19:44:41 GMT
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines – 5/10 Terminator Salvation – 3/10 Terminator Genisys – 3/10 Terminator: Dark Fate – 2/10
Terminator 3 is a mediocre sequel that copies T2. Everything else sucked.
I started watching Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles when it premiered, but I couldn’t get into it so I dropped it.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 22, 2020 16:25:04 GMT
• Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003)
• Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (2008 - 2009)
• Terminator Genisys (2015) • Terminator Salvation (2009) • Terminator: Dark Fate (2019)
Exactly this
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 1, 2020 23:49:22 GMT
The recreation of the locations from Terminator 1 in Genysis was pretty good especially since they shot in Atlanta. But they screwed it up with a)the old sounding Arnie voice and b) the people playing Bill Paxton etc not being anything like them. They could have had a great teaser trailer if they better matched the original and then suddenly older Arnie shows up behind his younger self. They also screwed it up by having the two fight like video game characters.
The fight was great. Not videogame-like at all.
That said, it was an alternate world. There were some differences from the original T1.
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 2, 2020 0:05:16 GMT
The fight was great. Not videogame-like at all.
It was--the way the terminator rushed to fight the old one--he moved like a video game character. Too fast. Not classic terminator. They could have built some anticipation and suspense for another few seconds but I guess CG costs money so they wanted to hurry it up.
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Post by darksidebeadle on Nov 2, 2020 0:36:16 GMT
1. Sarah connor Chronicles 2. Salvation 3. Dark Fate 4. Genisys 5. Rise of the Machines
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Post by dazz on Nov 2, 2020 2:22:29 GMT
The recreation of the locations from Terminator 1 in Genysis was pretty good especially since they shot in Atlanta. But they screwed it up with a)the old sounding Arnie voice and b) the people playing Bill Paxton etc not being anything like them. They could have had a great teaser trailer if they better matched the original and then suddenly older Arnie shows up behind his younger self. They also screwed it up by having the two fight like video game characters.
The fight was great. Not videogame-like at all.
That said, it was an alternate world. There were some differences from the original T1.
Thats not a good explanation, alternative world doesn't then explain why these 3 characters look different yet act the same as their original versions, and end up in the exact same place at the exact same time despite this. Should have just reused the original footage then shot the remainder of the scene in a similar style and quality, shooting the part when the young Terminator goes after the old Terminator from behind as to not show the actors faces as they ran off, no need to reshoot anything until that point, then also transition to the more modern look after the young Terminator is killed. Also it kind of was video gamey, the Terminator running like that is fake looking, we have seen how the original Terminator and how Uncle Bob move in T1 and T2, stick to that to keep it consistent, same with the fight, in T2 we see how Terminators fight and it's nor like that, this felt too fluid too organic, in T2 when Uncle Bob and the T-1000 throw down there is a stiffness to it. That's sort of an issue with modern movies, because we now can do more "impressive" looking fight effects people feel the need to do them, but less is more a lot of the time, throwing and kicking a Terminator into and through things like ragdolls aren't as effective as Robert Patrick and Arnold smashing through walls like they are made of tissue paper in a mere grappling match.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 2, 2020 2:30:45 GMT
"Thats not a good explanation, alternative world doesn't then explain why these 3 characters look different yet act the same as their original versions, and end up in the exact same place at the exact same time despite this."
Hello Dazz,
It has been clearly stated by producers and writers that the Genisys World is an alternate universe where a slightly different version of T1 "originally" occurred in 1984, and T2 never ever happened. This explains why the original T-800 moves so fast, why Sarah and Kyle look different (recasting) and all other slightly different details you got in 1984.
Alex/T-5000 (Matt Smith) was a counterpart of Skynet coming from an alternate world, which materialized in the year 2029 of the Genisys World. It wasn't the Prime Universe (Cameron's T1 and T2).
That said, the original T-800 moving and fighting so fast was extremely cool to see.
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Post by Jason143 on Nov 2, 2020 11:28:37 GMT
1. Terminator Salvation
The rest are horrible and should not be mentioned again
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Post by dazz on Nov 2, 2020 19:19:42 GMT
"Thats not a good explanation, alternative world doesn't then explain why these 3 characters look different yet act the same as their original versions, and end up in the exact same place at the exact same time despite this." Hello Dazz, It has been clearly stated by producers and writers that the Genisys World is an alternate universe where a slightly different version of T1 "originally" occurred in 1984, and T2 never ever happened. This explains why the original T-800 moves so fast, why Sarah and Kyle look different (recasting) and all other slightly different details you got in 1984. Alex/T-5000 (Matt Smith) was a counterpart of Skynet coming from an alternate world, which materialized in the year 2029 of the Genisys World. It wasn't the Prime Universe (Cameron's T1 and T2). That said, the original T-800 moving and fighting so fast was extremely cool to see. No it doesn't, the T-800 sent back is still the same T-800 from T1, as is obvious by the fact he is there, this is a different timeline with a different Sarah, therefor if this T-800 came from that timelines future it would know the differences of the timeline and not be in the same place as the original, as such he should move like Arnie did in T1. Also the T-1000 is canotically one of the most advanced and powerful Terminators built, but even it had a stiffness to it's movements in fighting with the T-800, and how they fought made sense as to why it was effective, same reason why the Jaeger Vs. Kaiju fights in Pacific Rim look and feel so much better than the ones in Pacific Rim Uprising, these huge heavy clunky machines should have weight to them, the T-800 and T-1000 having burst of speed whilst grappling but being able to also more slowly just smash through walls like wrecking balls added to this feeling, they felt powerful, the faster movements take away from this, also they make less sense a machine does not have instincts and can feel a fight, they process and compute the data of a fight, to analyse their situation to determine optimal action to carry out their mission. Again looking at T2 did the T-1000 focus on the T-800? no he got him out the way and then went after John, the young T-800 should have done the same, throw the older version cliff, hill whatever it was and go about it's business, I think hilariously an issue is that it wasn't Arnie doing the motions of the young Terminator, Arnie knows how to make that thing move right, other people don't, it's also why Robert Patrick in T2 is such a godsend, he got it also. As for it looking cool, no it wasn't it looked off, apparently no one learns from Jurassic Park and the words of Ian Malcolm, everyone is still so preoccupied with seeing if they can do something they do not stop to consider if they should do something, yes you can make Terminator's fight and fly around like rag dolls, should you though? no, the stiffness, and the weight to these characters adds to their presentation, and keeping things as realistic as possible benefits the feel of the movies, yes it's an insane movie about robot assassins and time travel, but the more grounded you make them feel the more effective the movies are. Also this showed a lack of thought in the fight scene, Old Arnie could have been more fluid but young Arnie should have been stiffer, ones learned how to fight, ones learned how to move more like a human, the other is an off the rack bare bones model, they should have a more unique approach to each other.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 2, 2020 19:36:40 GMT
"Thats not a good explanation, alternative world doesn't then explain why these 3 characters look different yet act the same as their original versions, and end up in the exact same place at the exact same time despite this." Hello Dazz, It has been clearly stated by producers and writers that the Genisys World is an alternate universe where a slightly different version of T1 "originally" occurred in 1984, and T2 never ever happened. This explains why the original T-800 moves so fast, why Sarah and Kyle look different (recasting) and all other slightly different details you got in 1984. Alex/T-5000 (Matt Smith) was a counterpart of Skynet coming from an alternate world, which materialized in the year 2029 of the Genisys World. It wasn't the Prime Universe (Cameron's T1 and T2). That said, the original T-800 moving and fighting so fast was extremely cool to see. No it doesn't, the T-800 sent back is still the same T-800 from T1, as is obvious by the fact he is there, this is a different timeline with a different Sarah, therefor if this T-800 came from that timelines future it would know the differences of the timeline and not be in the same place as the original, as such he should move like Arnie did in T1. Wait, I will try to explain myself even better:
The "THE TERMINATOR" (T1) movie which originally happens in the Genisys World is not our Cameron's "THE TERMINATOR" (T1) movie. It is slightly different. The original T-800 is faster and stronger, has a different combat mode. Sarah is different. She looks like Emila Clarke.
Kyle is different. He looks like Jai Courtney. The 2029 future is different. The Polaroid shot is still intact. John Connor looks like Jason Clarke. And the list goes one. The T-1000 is chinese.
Even without the T-5000 altering the future and the entire timeline, it was an alternate world from T1/T2.
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