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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 27, 2020 10:24:28 GMT
I used the twist from a film for inspiration there. Care to give us the inspirational quote and the film? It's not a quote but it happens in The Prestige and is the secret behind a magician's escape trick.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Nov 27, 2020 10:36:16 GMT
Care to give us the inspirational quote and the film? It's not a quote but it happens in The Prestige and is the secret behind a magician's escape trick. Must've been scary knowing there's a 50/50 shot you'd be taking a bow or drowning in a tank.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Nov 27, 2020 11:30:40 GMT
"As you can see, transporters are 100% safe aside from a minor side effect. And a little skin moisturizer should take care of that."
Have you ever heard of transporter politics? Neither have I. Transporters don't have politics, they're very brutal.
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Post by Catman on Nov 27, 2020 11:38:12 GMT
In the episode 'Second Chances' of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Will Riker encounters a duplicate of himself created eight years earlier due to a transporter incident. That’s why you have to kill the originals. Especially when you're talking about the Rikers. One fathered who knows how many alien hybrid children during his lifetime, two would have done even more damage had not the one ended up in a Cardassian prison (and who knows how many Cardassian-human hybrids came from that, but the writers never followed up on it), but four or more? The mind boggles.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Nov 27, 2020 21:39:44 GMT
Have you ever heard of transporter politics? Neither have I. Transporters don't have politics, they're very brutal. There was politics. I'm sure that rich people used the newer and more secure transporters. But poor people and aliens had to use the older riskier models. I meant the transporters themselves. I was quoting The Fly. I love that movie, even if it was a bit cheesy.
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Post by Sarge on Nov 28, 2020 0:00:07 GMT
This would be a question for a real sci-fi buff. But I've been reading up on Star Trek's transporters. My question would be are the molecules being scrambled and sent through space? Or are they being duplicated? People have been fused and duplicated by transporters before so that violates conversation of mass. They must be converted into pure energy which has to be death.
There was an episode where there's a first person perspective and we see the transition to the new place without skip which is good news but I suspect the writers just choose not to be grim.
In our reality it would be death, I agree, but the Trek universe established many times that consciousness can exist as energy so even if the body is scrambled, the mind could survive. But the duplicates, like Riker, imply the person materialized on the other end is an exact duplicate and not the original. McCoy knew.
Edit to clarify, if there is one "you," a mind converted to energy, then you can't have a duplicate, unless the transported people were duplicates all along. If a transporter accident results in two of you, then one is a duplicate meaning they were always duplicates.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Nov 28, 2020 0:22:14 GMT
People have been fused and duplicated by transporters before so that violates conversation of mass. They must be converted into pure energy which has to be death.
There was an episode where there's a first person perspective and we see the transition to the new place without skip which is good news but I suspect the writers just choose not to be grim.
In our reality it would be death, I agree, but the Trek universe established many times that consciousness can exist as energy so even if the body is scrambled, the mind could survive. But the duplicates, like Riker, imply the person materialized on the other end is an exact duplicate and not the original. McCoy knew.
But who's to say which is less real than the other? Better to say one person just became two people.
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Post by Sarge on Nov 28, 2020 1:39:03 GMT
In our reality it would be death, I agree, but the Trek universe established many times that consciousness can exist as energy so even if the body is scrambled, the mind could survive. But the duplicates, like Riker, imply the person materialized on the other end is an exact duplicate and not the original. McCoy knew.
But who's to say which is less real than the other? Better to say one person just became two people.
By my reasoning, the question is whether your consciousness, You, is transferred or duplicated. If the transporter is capable of making duplicates of your mind, the essential you, then all the transported people are duplicates.
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Post by permutojoe on Nov 28, 2020 1:43:04 GMT
But who's to say which is less real than the other? Better to say one person just became two people.
By my reasoning, the question is whether your consciousness, You, is transferred or duplicated. If the transporter is capable of making duplicates of your mind, the essential you, then all the transported people are duplicates.
Depends on how the tech works. I don't know all the transporter episodes but from other posts here it looks like it could go either way.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 28, 2020 17:23:21 GMT
And the one on the other side is only a perfect copy with their memories? So that means death every time you transport. I wonder if the new body would know that it died and that's it being "reborn"? How would that manifest itself in the new form? Would it exhibit itself as some kind of deficiency or mental/spiritual angst? It is interesting.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 28, 2020 20:40:32 GMT
In the episode 'Second Chances' of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Will Riker encounters a duplicate of himself created eight years earlier due to a transporter incident. Can you say which season that was in? Thanks.
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Post by Catman on Nov 28, 2020 20:45:59 GMT
In the episode 'Second Chances' of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Will Riker encounters a duplicate of himself created eight years earlier due to a transporter incident. Can you say which season that was in? Thanks. 6
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 28, 2020 20:48:23 GMT
The universe is fucked. Teleportation ends up destroying humanity. You can't keep making copies of copies of copies of copies forever without the unique original being destroyed. No technology is perfect. There will be minor flaws which become major flaws. There will be mutations. Eventually the whole system will crumble. There's a scene from one of the Will Shatner movies where two people get scrambled in a transporter beam. It's one of the most unpleasant scenes in the franchise. If I'm not mistaken that's in the very first movie.
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Post by Catman on Nov 28, 2020 20:53:06 GMT
There's a scene from one of the Will Shatner movies where two people get scrambled in a transporter beam. It's one of the most unpleasant scenes in the franchise. If I'm not mistaken that's in the very first movie. That is correct.
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