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Post by darkpast on Dec 4, 2020 5:15:23 GMT
She upset twitter , something against covid vaccine i think , free think not allowed
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 4, 2020 9:46:02 GMT
She upset twitter , something against covid vaccine i think , free think not allowed
When you post a video that starts with "I don't understand vaccines medically, but I've always been a little bit of a skeptic of them," the presenter Tomi Arayomi says towards the beginning of his fact-free monologue which was full of personal anecdotes and his own feelings on vaccines generally. That's not free think. That's arguing from a place of ignorance, literally. It's one thing to question what's in a medical treatment. That's fine, and their ingredients and how they are made are disclosed to FDA and reported on by them, but to question a whole class of medicine because you don't understand how they work isn't free think. A class of medicine that has eradicated 2 diseases rinderpest and small pox and is close to eradicating a third polio, btw. Not to mention the countless millions they save on a yearly basis.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 4, 2020 15:04:02 GMT
She upset twitter , something against covid vaccine i think , free think not allowed
When you post a video that starts with "I don't understand vaccines medically, but I've always been a little bit of a skeptic of them," the presenter Tomi Arayomi says towards the beginning of his fact-free monologue which was full of personal anecdotes and his own feelings on vaccines generally. That's not free think. That's arguing from a place of ignorance, literally. It's one thing to question what's in a medical treatment. That's fine, and their ingredients and how they are made are disclosed to FDA and reported on by them, but to question a whole class of medicine because you don't understand how they work isn't free think. A class of medicine that has eradicated 2 diseases rinderpest and small pox and is close to eradicating a third polio, btw. Not to mention the countless millions they save on a yearly basis. Well that’s disappointing. |
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 4, 2020 21:14:47 GMT
Well that was kind of a dick comment by Don Cheadle.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 4, 2020 22:51:08 GMT
She upset twitter , something against covid vaccine i think , free think not allowed
When you post a video that starts with "I don't understand vaccines medically, but I've always been a little bit of a skeptic of them," the presenter Tomi Arayomi says towards the beginning of his fact-free monologue which was full of personal anecdotes and his own feelings on vaccines generally. That's not free think. That's arguing from a place of ignorance, literally. It's one thing to question what's in a medical treatment. That's fine, and their ingredients and how they are made are disclosed to FDA and reported on by them, but to question a whole class of medicine because you don't understand how they work isn't free think. A class of medicine that has eradicated 2 diseases rinderpest and small pox and is close to eradicating a third polio, btw. Not to mention the countless millions they save on a yearly basis. How's about this: She & billions others walking the Earth today are alive because of vaccines. Their conceptions, births may not have even occurred.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 4, 2020 22:52:09 GMT
Why would she speak up in the first place? lols
She's just an actress until she isn't, & then she is again?? lols
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Post by darkpast on Dec 5, 2020 1:34:26 GMT
Well that was kind of a dick comment by Don Cheadle. he already apologized
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 5, 2020 3:13:35 GMT
I don't exactly agree with her opinion but this cancel culture really needs to stop.
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 5, 2020 4:02:49 GMT
I don't exactly agree with her opinion but this cancel culture really needs to stop. Just to play devils advocate here, but from a certain perspective isn't "cancel culture" just people expressing their opinions on what she said? It's just now they have a more vocal way of expressing that opinion to where people in power notice it more? The ultimate question I guess I'm getting at is how is Mark from Boise and the 15 million other Marks from all over the world expressing their opinion on what she says any different than her expressing her opinion?
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 5, 2020 4:36:08 GMT
I don't exactly agree with her opinion but this cancel culture really needs to stop. Just to play devils advocate here, but from a certain perspective isn't "cancel culture" just people expressing their opinions on what she said? It's just now they have a more vocal way of expressing that opinion to where people in power notice it more? The ultimate question I guess I'm getting at is how is Mark from Boise and the 15 million other Marks from all over the world expressing their opinion on what she says any different than her expressing her opinion? No, cancel culture is actually attacking someone and trying to ruin someone else's livelihood. It's basically a form of super-bullying. And I'm pretty sure we don't excuse bullying as someone simply expressing their opinion. There's a very big difference between saying, "I'm sorry but I disagree with you" and saying "I don't agree with you therefore you should get fired from your job". |
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 5, 2020 5:23:15 GMT
Just to play devils advocate here, but from a certain perspective isn't "cancel culture" just people expressing their opinions on what she said? It's just now they have a more vocal way of expressing that opinion to where people in power notice it more? The ultimate question I guess I'm getting at is how is Mark from Boise and the 15 million other Marks from all over the world expressing their opinion on what she says any different than her expressing her opinion? No, cancel culture is actually attacking someone and trying to ruin someone else's livelihood. It's basically a form of super-bullying. And I'm pretty sure we don't excuse bullying as someone simply expressing their opinion. There's a very big difference between saying, "I'm sorry but I disagree with you" and saying "I don't agree with you therefore you should get fired from your job". So if someone believes that Johnny Depp and Amber Heard shouldn't be in movies aimed at Kids anymore from the shit storm brought out by their relationship. Goes online and expresses that opinion and even emails or tags Disney and WB expressing that opinion that is bullying. Or is it expressing an opinion that these peoples personal dysfunction shouldn't be celebrated and endorsed (even passively)? I've owned a business that deals with the public. Each and every employee represented the company during and not during work. Their opinions and actions reflected on them which in turn reflected on the business. If enough of the public's opinion on an employee hurt the business then they have to go. I had a very good employee that cost me 3 large accounts because in the middle late 00's he made a crass joke at a party of about 200 people in the business world we inhabited. It spread by the end of the week people heard about it and 3 companies didn't want to deal with him or my company. Cost my business about 400k in revenue and would've cost more if I kept him on. It was the opinion of the people at the party and the people that ran the companies that I dealt with that they didn't want to deal with a person who said such a vile thing. Now it's just sped up. A few months back a friend on facebook posted a picture from one of his acquaintances. The acquaintance posted a new decal he put on the back of of personal truck that was a cartoon showing that a person's face mask made it easier to spot them crossing the street, so they make it easier to make them a speed bump. A few mutual friends knew where he worked. Within 3 hours the Company's FB page had about 200 links to the image. Not many called for his firing most just posted some way of saying. "Just thought you should know what kind of employee you have working for you and what he has on his truck now." By the end of the day he was fired. With Celebrities their whole job is to sell themselves in some degree to the public through some kind of company. When dealing with the pubic the public's opinion of you matters. And if your opinion, statement or action pisses enough people off and they express that anger then you limit your sale-ability/marketability to the public. It sucks for the person selling themselves but that's a consequences of your speech. People expressing their displeasure publicly is their right even to your bosses and is a consequence of your speech. The only way I could see stopping cancel culture would be to stifle the public's ability to disagree and express that disagreement. Part of that ability to disagree is to do so in a way that the company the people work for see it. I can tell you now if I owned a company that exclusively dealt with the public, an employee expressed an opinion, the public disagreed, disagreed enough not to want to deal with him anymore but not 1 person said he should be fired, but just that they didn't want to deal with him anymore I would have to fire him.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 5, 2020 9:45:52 GMT
No, cancel culture is actually attacking someone and trying to ruin someone else's livelihood. It's basically a form of super-bullying. And I'm pretty sure we don't excuse bullying as someone simply expressing their opinion. There's a very big difference between saying, "I'm sorry but I disagree with you" and saying "I don't agree with you therefore you should get fired from your job". So if someone believes that Johnny Depp and Amber Heard shouldn't be in movies aimed at Kids anymore from the shit storm brought out by their relationship. Goes online and expresses that opinion and even emails or tags Disney and WB expressing that opinion that is bullying. Or is it expressing an opinion that these peoples personal dysfunction shouldn't be celebrated and endorsed (even passively)? I've owned a business that deals with the public. Each and every employee represented the company during and not during work. Their opinions and actions reflected on them which in turn reflected on the business. If enough of the public's opinion on an employee hurt the business then they have to go. I had a very good employee that cost me 3 large accounts because in the middle late 00's he made a crass joke at a party of about 200 people in the business world we inhabited. It spread by the end of the week people heard about it and 3 companies didn't want to deal with him or my company. Cost my business about 400k in revenue and would've cost more if I kept him on. It was the opinion of the people at the party and the people that ran the companies that I dealt with that they didn't want to deal with a person who said such a vile thing. Now it's just sped up. A few months back a friend on facebook posted a picture from one of his acquaintances. The acquaintance posted a new decal he put on the back of of personal truck that was a cartoon showing that a person's face mask made it easier to spot them crossing the street, so they make it easier to make them a speed bump. A few mutual friends knew where he worked. Within 3 hours the Company's FB page had about 200 links to the image. Not many called for his firing most just posted some way of saying. "Just thought you should know what kind of employee you have working for you and what he has on his truck now." By the end of the day he was fired. With Celebrities their whole job is to sell themselves in some degree to the public through some kind of company. When dealing with the pubic the public's opinion of you matters. And if your opinion, statement or action pisses enough people off and they express that anger then you limit your sale-ability/marketability to the public. It sucks for the person selling themselves but that's a consequences of your speech. People expressing their displeasure publicly is their right even to your bosses and is a consequence of your speech. The only way I could see stopping cancel culture would be to stifle the public's ability to disagree and express that disagreement. Part of that ability to disagree is to do so in a way that the company the people work for see it. I can tell you now if I owned a company that exclusively dealt with the public, an employee expressed an opinion, the public disagreed, disagreed enough not to want to deal with him anymore but not 1 person said he should be fired, but just that they didn't want to deal with him anymore I would have to fire him. Yes, that is bullying. You can try to make it sound as nice as you can, but in the end they're still trying to inflict negative actions on someone based on nothing more than their "opinion". Stating an opinion on social media that doesn't try to hurt anyone (Letitia) is far different from attacking her, calling her names, and trying to get her fired from her job based on said opinion. Now I'm not saying people's actions won't have an impact on their job. But there's a difference between you, as a manager, firing someone because they hurt the reputation of a company and them, as an outsider, attacking someone they disagree with. You are simply reacting to a situation based on its effect on YOU and YOUR company brought about by YOUR employee. THEY are attacking someone who has no direct relation to them whatsoever based on nothing more than a disagreement of opinion. So basically you're saying I can go ahead and verbally abuse any person I want because I have a right to express my displeasure publicly. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 5, 2020 10:33:12 GMT
So if someone believes that Johnny Depp and Amber Heard shouldn't be in movies aimed at Kids anymore from the shit storm brought out by their relationship. Goes online and expresses that opinion and even emails or tags Disney and WB expressing that opinion that is bullying. Or is it expressing an opinion that these peoples personal dysfunction shouldn't be celebrated and endorsed (even passively)? I've owned a business that deals with the public. Each and every employee represented the company during and not during work. Their opinions and actions reflected on them which in turn reflected on the business. If enough of the public's opinion on an employee hurt the business then they have to go. I had a very good employee that cost me 3 large accounts because in the middle late 00's he made a crass joke at a party of about 200 people in the business world we inhabited. It spread by the end of the week people heard about it and 3 companies didn't want to deal with him or my company. Cost my business about 400k in revenue and would've cost more if I kept him on. It was the opinion of the people at the party and the people that ran the companies that I dealt with that they didn't want to deal with a person who said such a vile thing. Now it's just sped up. A few months back a friend on facebook posted a picture from one of his acquaintances. The acquaintance posted a new decal he put on the back of of personal truck that was a cartoon showing that a person's face mask made it easier to spot them crossing the street, so they make it easier to make them a speed bump. A few mutual friends knew where he worked. Within 3 hours the Company's FB page had about 200 links to the image. Not many called for his firing most just posted some way of saying. "Just thought you should know what kind of employee you have working for you and what he has on his truck now." By the end of the day he was fired. With Celebrities their whole job is to sell themselves in some degree to the public through some kind of company. When dealing with the pubic the public's opinion of you matters. And if your opinion, statement or action pisses enough people off and they express that anger then you limit your sale-ability/marketability to the public. It sucks for the person selling themselves but that's a consequences of your speech. People expressing their displeasure publicly is their right even to your bosses and is a consequence of your speech. The only way I could see stopping cancel culture would be to stifle the public's ability to disagree and express that disagreement. Part of that ability to disagree is to do so in a way that the company the people work for see it. I can tell you now if I owned a company that exclusively dealt with the public, an employee expressed an opinion, the public disagreed, disagreed enough not to want to deal with him anymore but not 1 person said he should be fired, but just that they didn't want to deal with him anymore I would have to fire him. Yes, that is bullying. You can try to make it sound as nice as you can, but in the end they're still trying to inflict negative actions on someone based on nothing more than their "opinion". Stating an opinion on social media that doesn't try to hurt anyone (Letitia) is far different from attacking her, calling her names, and trying to get her fired from her job based on said opinion. Now I'm not saying people's actions won't have an impact on their job. But there's a difference between you, as a manager, firing someone because they hurt the reputation of a company and them, as an outsider, attacking someone they disagree with. You are simply reacting to a situation based on its effect on YOU and YOUR company brought about by YOUR employee. THEY are attacking someone who has no direct relation to them whatsoever based on nothing more than a disagreement of opinion. So basically you're saying I can go ahead and verbally abuse any person I want because I have a right to express my displeasure publicly. In this specific situation Letitia does have some influence in actually hurting people. By her retweeting a video that questions vaccines in general and this one specifically without evidence in a pandemic she could sway people not to take the vaccine. Than can not only hurt people who don't take the vaccine but people who can't take the vaccine getting sick. Completely innocent bystanders in all of this. By her endorsing that video she is applying her influence to an opinion that could conceivably kill people. And add fuel to anti-vaxxers. Which has a growing population in young people. Her core fandom. I don't think calling people out on their opinion is bullying. To me who might not be able to take the vaccine because of IBD and Remicade and my 77 year old mother who definitely can't take it because of a bad liver and kidneys, her opinion/the opinion in the video about vaccinations in general and others like it is deadly. I don't think it's bullying for me to respond to her and especially Tomi Arayomi opinions as being ignorant and both are dicks for aligning themselves with the idea that vaccines are some how unsafe. His opinion is they are she led her backing to his opinion by posting the tweet. My opinion on that is they are idiots and should be told so. You absolutely have the right to call someone a dick if you think they are acting like one. That's not verbal abuse. Hell if you think I'm a dick by all means have at it for that opinion. It's not polite and neither is me calling them that, but you have the right to do it. I don't think she should use her influence on young people to do that. That's my opinion. It's just a valid as hers. More so because hers is coming from a place of ignorance. Now I don't condone calling her evil, that she should die, that she's ugly, talentless, or the rest of the other stuff. That to me is bullying, but saying she doesn't have the facts/ignorant that she's being a dick for her opinion to helpless people is not. She is giving a helping hand to people who have given measles a helping hand. That's not bullying. I also think it's not bullying to let Disney know I don't feel her using her platform to influence others in this direction, given to her partially by Disney, (also her natural talent and work ethic) is correct. I would never tell Disney to fire her, but I would express my opinion that I feel she is perpetuating ignorance that could have deadly consequences.
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Post by hi224 on Dec 5, 2020 10:58:00 GMT
She upset twitter , something against covid vaccine i think , free think not allowed
i was hoping she'd be the next black panther?.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 5, 2020 14:46:08 GMT
She upset twitter , something against covid vaccine i think , free think not allowed
i was hoping she'd be the next black panther?. That was the plan. Who knows at this point, it may be Kevin Hart. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 5, 2020 15:59:03 GMT
This Twitter causes more trouble than it's worth.
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Post by darkpast on Dec 5, 2020 18:27:46 GMT
looks like she is offline , at least for now
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Post by Ransom on Dec 5, 2020 18:30:09 GMT
I was absolutely shocked she was an anti vaxxer and I read her Twitter arguments yesterday and she's not as fragile as she looks. Regardless of my opinion on her views on the vaccine I was impressed with how she handled the idiots on Twitter. She could give the idiots on the politics forum a run for their money.
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Post by Ransom on Dec 5, 2020 18:42:28 GMT
Well that was kind of a dick comment by Don Cheadle. Using a one liner on a girl old enough to be his daughter is pretty sad even for someone used to having Terrence Howard's leftovers. |
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Dec 5, 2020 20:10:03 GMT
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