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Post by janntosh on Dec 10, 2020 22:54:03 GMT
Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th?
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 10, 2020 23:12:20 GMT
Consistency-wise? yes.
I think Halloween has both the best sequels of those franchises and the worst.
I am not at all a fan of the Friday the 13th franchise, so the consistency of this franchise is a moot point for me.
A Nightmare on Elm Street franchise is the most consistent and has a great starting point, though I don't really care for any of the sequels.
If you just mean that Halloween: Resurrection is worse than any of the sequels in those other franchises, then I completely agree. Jason X is almost as bad, but it is impossible for Jason X to be as frustratingly awful within it's own franchise.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Dec 11, 2020 9:50:50 GMT
For me yes. I like 2,3,4, H20 and Halloween'18 but Resurrection, Curse and part 5 really ruin the batch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 13:20:48 GMT
I think Halloween is the best slasher film. The 1978 film.
However, I believe “Friday the 13th” has the best sequels. As an entire franchise, it’s better.
I love Friday the 13th part VI (the birth of Zombie Jason)
The Tommy Jarvis trilogy (Part IV, V, and VI)
Part III is the most iconic Jason Vorhees film. Gets his mask.
Kane Hodder in part VII
Even the remake was solid.
Best crossover. Freddy vs Jason
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 11, 2020 18:17:39 GMT
Consistency-wise? yes. I think Halloween has both the best sequels of those franchises and the worst. I am not at all a fan of the Friday the 13th franchise, so the consistency of this franchise is a moot point for me. A Nightmare on Elm Street franchise is the most consistent and has a great starting point, though I don't really care for any of the sequels. If you just mean that Halloween: Resurrection is worse than any of the sequels in those other franchises, then I completely agree. Jason X is almost as bad, but it is impossible for Jason X to be as frustratingly awful within it's own franchise. Good points. While I would gravitate towards Friday sequels before Elm St. ones, I also find the Elm St. ones more consistent and perhaps superior as a collective whole. Halloween sequels and reboots have been hit and miss with too much confounded and confused narrative that I find them very frustrating with how this Myers legend pans out.
I really have no words to describe how the last Halloween - 18' installment failed on pretty much every level with what it promised. It had no integrity, was delivered with deceit and insulted my intelligence to the max. They inexplicably called it the same as the original with no subtitle, said they were eliminating any trace of other sequels and carrying the story on from the climax of Carpenter's original classic and then laced it with as many homages from the sequels and Zombie reboots they could think of. Not to mention the horrible actors and characters that deserved to be slaughtered along with this mess.
I hate how the 2018 version was dishonestly marketed. I think the movie is fun though. Ironically this movie is one of the few Halloween sequels I actually enjoy.  Halloween III, H20, 2018 and to a lesser extent Halloween 4. That is where my like of the sequels ends.
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Post by Marv on Dec 11, 2020 18:20:15 GMT
It has deeper lows, imo. The 2018 sequel prevents me from flat out saying yes. I can’t decide if that one movie being great bring up the garbage that was Halloween 3-6.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 11, 2020 23:00:31 GMT
Friday is the only one where a lot of the sequels are better than the original. Then Nightmare has the throughline of Englund going for it.
Halloween was winning a poll of best Horror franchise awhile back which I really didn't understand. There's one where Busta Rhymes beats Michael with kungfu and it's not even the worst.
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Post by James on Dec 11, 2020 23:04:14 GMT
I think Resurrection is the weakest out of all 3 combined but they all kind of get mixed after that. Tough call.
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Post by janntosh on Dec 12, 2020 0:18:23 GMT
Friday is the only one where a lot of the sequels are better than the original. Then Nightmare has the throughline of Englund going for it. Halloween was winning a poll of best Horror franchise awhile back which I really didn't understand. There's one where Busta Rhymes beats Michael with kungfu and it's not even the worst. Nightmare 3 and New Nightmare are also flat out good films and even better the the original IMO |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 12, 2020 0:29:24 GMT
The nice thing about NOES films is the dream setting allow for more creativity and imagination. With the Halloween and Friday films they all very same-ish, there's only so many times you can show someone getting stabbed by a knife or machete before it gets stale. I know people like to bitch about Jason X and Jason Goes to Hell, but at least they tried to do something different.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 12, 2020 0:49:51 GMT
Friday is the only one where a lot of the sequels are better than the original. Then Nightmare has the throughline of Englund going for it. Halloween was winning a poll of best Horror franchise awhile back which I really didn't understand. There's one where Busta Rhymes beats Michael with kungfu and it's not even the worst. Nightmare 3 and New Nightmare are also flat out good films and even better the the original IMO New Nightmare was Wes Craven so far up his own ass I am surprised he was able to find his way out again. It isn't even well done for what it is trying to do. It isn't dramatic, it isn't suspenseful, it isn't creepy or scary and it also has a saturated TV movie feel to it. This is all just my opinion obviously, but the movie doesn't work for me at all. It also isn't even technically part of the franchise.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 12, 2020 1:32:25 GMT
I hate how the 2018 version was dishonestly marketed. I think the movie is fun though. Ironically this movie is one of the few Halloween sequels I actually enjoy. Halloween III, H20, 2018 and to a lesser extent Halloween 4. That is where my like of the sequels ends. Perhaps I was being a stick in the mud, but I just couldn't get into the fun aspect of it, because that is not what the first 2 Halloween's were about. I had anticipated a creepy, scary and atmospheric entry, which by all accounts is what it was plugged as. Now, there is another sequel coming out to it and it is going to go down the same convoluted route as the others more than likely. I see Halloween III as a stand alone entry and worthy as a Halloween themed film. Very original. Perhaps they should have done away with the roman numeral and just had it Halloween: Season Of The Witch. It was obvious to me that Myers was dead, burnt to a crisp along with Loomis. I never got the backlash and the dunderheaded comments that it wasn't a Myers Halloween at the time. I even told my sister it wasn't when we went to see it and she still complained after. I only really care for the first 2 original entries, H20 and I am in a minority here I know, but I am also very fond of Zombie's Halloween II. He made a superior film I believe, to his misconceived original reboot. I understand why some people really dislike Halloween 2018. I actually do think it is creepy and suspenseful and I watch it as what it is...a homage to the franchise. I actually think that is more appropriate than a direct sequel to the original, even though it is also that. It isn't a good movie, but it is quite entertaining and captures the feel of the overall series into one film imo.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 12, 2020 1:42:53 GMT
I understand why some people really dislike Halloween 2018. I actually do think it is creepy and suspenseful and I watch it as what it is...a homage to the franchise. I actually think that is more appropriate than a direct sequel to the original, even though it is also that. It isn't a good movie, but it is quite entertaining and captures the feel of the overall series into one film imo. I have contemplated watching it again, but I don't know if I want to waste my time, when I could watch something I know I would enjoy. If the follow up is an improvement, I may re-watch it, but the homage part is where I'd say it misfired. It was more parody. The franchise was already long past that point.  So it even can work that way as well, both parody and homage.
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