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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 18:02:55 GMT
A) “Citizen Kane” is not the greatest film of all time. I know why it’s important as a film to the industry, it paved the path for techniques used in cinema for decades to come that had never been used before.
The fear is, if they relinquish this title, it will become an obscure black and white film that people of future generations will forget about and not understand the significance.
But in reality, we al know the truth.
What else?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 17, 2020 19:29:22 GMT
The day CK becomes an “obscure black and white film” will be the day that movies completly die out as an art form.
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Post by ck100 on Dec 17, 2020 19:34:27 GMT
-Not every film needs a sequel or needs to become a franchise.
-Some franchises should really stop at a certain point even if things are going well.
-Some movie experiences you just can't duplicate no matter how hard you try.
-Most remakes are never going to be as good as the original film.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 19:35:28 GMT
The day CK becomes an “obscure black and white film” will be the day that movies completly die out as an art form. I don’t think it would, I’m saying they believe if they don’t call it “The Greatest Film of All-time.” It will become that. So they give it that title to give it extra reverence. So young people go “Why” and check it out or research it. |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 17, 2020 20:03:56 GMT
-Not every film needs a sequel or needs to become a franchise. -Some franchises should really stop at a certain point even if things are going well. -Some movie experiences you just can't duplicate no matter how hard you try. -Most remakes are never going to be as good as the original film. Don't break their heart right away now. Ease into it.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 17, 2020 20:28:00 GMT
The location of Walt Disney's cryogenically frozen body
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Post by ck100 on Dec 17, 2020 20:30:27 GMT
-Not every film needs a sequel or needs to become a franchise. -Some franchises should really stop at a certain point even if things are going well. -Some movie experiences you just can't duplicate no matter how hard you try. -Most remakes are never going to be as good as the original film. Don't break their heart right away now. Ease into it. They can go cry to their piles of money.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 17, 2020 21:03:32 GMT
It would never be obscure anymore than Casablanca or Gine With the Wind isn’t obscure
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Post by kolchak92 on Dec 17, 2020 21:23:01 GMT
Don't more people generally consider The Godfather to be the "greatest film of all time" as this point anyway though? I'd definitely put Citizen Kane ahead of it though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 22:10:20 GMT
It would never be obscure anymore than Casablanca or Gine With the Wind isn’t obscure I know that, and you know that. But these so called film experts and historians know their grandfather’s and fathers told them why Citizen Kane was so relevant and important and they cannot let that go. They feel like they will betray that. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 22:11:16 GMT
Don't more people generally consider The Godfather to be the "greatest film of all time" as this point though anyway though? I'd definitely put Citizen Kane ahead of it though. I do think “The Godfather” is better. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 17, 2020 22:18:31 GMT
Don't more people generally consider The Godfather to be the "greatest film of all time" as this point though anyway though? I'd definitely put Citizen Kane ahead of it though. I think there is one group, Film Society maybe. that routinely makes Citizen Kane #1.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 17, 2020 22:20:05 GMT
It would never be obscure anymore than Casablanca or Gine With the Wind isn’t obscure I know that, and you know that. But these so called film experts and historians know their grandfather’s and fathers told them why Citizen Kane was so relevant and important and they cannot let that go. They feel like they will betray that. How many film buffs consider Citizen Kane to be their personal favorite movie of all time?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 17, 2020 22:21:41 GMT
It would never be obscure anymore than Casablanca or Gine With the Wind isn’t obscure I know that, and you know that. But these so called film experts and historians know their grandfather’s and fathers told them why Citizen Kane was so relevant and important and they cannot let that go. They feel like they will betray that. Idk, I think it is very hard to move the needle, but it can be moved. My favorite movies have been Godfather and Raiders for most of my movie life and it would be extremely tough to knock those off. As someone else said, Godfather is always in contention too and that was 30 years later. Has there been a more recent movie that is on par? Schindler's List? That would be a pretty interesting brain exercise.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 17, 2020 22:43:48 GMT
I know that, and you know that. But these so called film experts and historians know their grandfather’s and fathers told them why Citizen Kane was so relevant and important and they cannot let that go. They feel like they will betray that. Idk, I think it is very hard to move the needle, but it can be moved. My favorite movies have been Godfather and Raiders for most of my movie life and it would be extremely tough to knock those off. As someone else said, Godfather is always in contention too and that was 30 years later. Has there been a more recent movie that is on par? Schindler's List? That would be a pretty interesting brain exercise. Well, the number one film on IMDb for the past 10+ years has been The Shawshank Redemption.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 17, 2020 22:47:06 GMT
Idk, I think it is very hard to move the needle, but it can be moved. My favorite movies have been Godfather and Raiders for most of my movie life and it would be extremely tough to knock those off. As someone else said, Godfather is always in contention too and that was 30 years later. Has there been a more recent movie that is on par? Schindler's List? That would be a pretty interesting brain exercise. Well, the number one film on IMDb for the past 10+ years has been The Shawshank Redemption. IMDB isn't really a good representation of the general population though, it's more of a representation of the Internet consensus, which is probably going to be considerably younger. While I'm sure Shawshank is a fine movie, I didn't realize it was so beloved until I came to IMDB. If more older people voted I would imagine Godfather would surpass it.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 17, 2020 23:00:56 GMT
A) “Citizen Kane” is not the greatest film of all time. I know why it’s important as a film to the industry, it paved the path for techniques used in cinema for decades to come that had never been used before. The fear is, if they relinquish this title, it will become an obscure black and white film that people of future generations will forget about and not understand the significance. But in reality, we al know the truth. What else? A few things: That " it paved the path for techniques used in cinema for decades to come that had never been used before" is not an insignificant thing. As a matter of fact I think its taken for granted. Because its old and dated I think a lot of people have forgotten what it must be like have watched that movie when it first came out, and to actually experience the quantum shift in filmmaking that movie made. Movies nowadays have shots in them that are directly influenced from Citizen Kane. Its one of, if not the most, significant movie in terms film language ever made. And that's not hyperbole. Even movies like the first Birth of a Nation, and Triumph of the Will, with their reprehensible subject matter, have to be acknowledged for their brilliant use of film language and their affect on all future filmmaking there after. If not Citizen Kane, what do you consider is the greatest film of all time? And why?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 17, 2020 23:06:14 GMT
I know that, and you know that. But these so called film experts and historians know their grandfather’s and fathers told them why Citizen Kane was so relevant and important and they cannot let that go. They feel like they will betray that. How many film buffs consider Citizen Kane to be their personal favorite movie of all time? That's not completely fair. I can acknowledge that Star Wars, my personal favorite movie, is highly flawed, While Citizen Kane, not even on my personal top ten, is the far superior film and of greater movie making significance. And I don't believe this because my grandfather said so. I believe this because I know something about movies and movie making and I saw both movies with my own eyes.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 17, 2020 23:08:43 GMT
Idk, I think it is very hard to move the needle, but it can be moved. My favorite movies have been Godfather and Raiders for most of my movie life and it would be extremely tough to knock those off. As someone else said, Godfather is always in contention too and that was 30 years later. Has there been a more recent movie that is on par? Schindler's List? That would be a pretty interesting brain exercise. Well, the number one film on IMDb for the past 10+ years has been The Shawshank Redemption. To me that is the equivalent of another snobby group thinking Citizen Kane. There’s gotta be a place where the snobs and the Everyman meet. Maybe that’s Shawshank |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 17, 2020 23:21:47 GMT
The place that routinely named it # was Sight & Sound which does a poll every 10 years from critics and film "snobs"
Citizen Kane was #1 from 1962 to 2002, but Vertigo beat it in 2012.
As an aside, I'm kinda shocked no one talks about how bonkers Vertigo is even though it is so beloved by critic.
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