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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2020 22:02:23 GMT
www.yahoo.com/entertainment/news-world-cinematographer-says-everyone-173011639.html“ News of the World’ Cinematographer Dariusz Wolski Says ‘Everyone Is in the Same Boat’ for Streaming Releases”:  Nolan blasted the streaming platform HBO Max’s move during an appearance on NPR’s “All Things Considered.” Wolski thinks Christopher Nolan’s recent criticism of WarnerMedia sending most of its slate to HBO Max was misguided when the pandemic continues to rage around the world. Wolski states, “There’s COVID. People are suffering way more than Christopher Nolan,” Wolski says of Nolan’s reaction. Wolski, who also shot “The Martian,” “All the Money in the World” and “Alien: Covenant,” said, “His movie was deprived of a huge box office opening on a huge screen, but he’s not the only one.” He went on to say that as nice as it would be to see films on the big screen, cases are on the rise, “Everyone is in the same boat, we have to wait until next year.”
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 25, 2020 22:42:40 GMT
WB isn’t doing that, though. They’ve completely written off next year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2020 22:58:10 GMT
WB isn’t doing that, though. They’ve completely written off next year. I think he means in a year. It’s already virtually 2021 |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 26, 2020 1:13:13 GMT
WB isn’t doing that, though. They’ve completely written off next year. He is talking about when they need to wait because only a moron would think movies are coming back for much of 2021. If theaters are suffering now it makes NK sense to think studios aren’t suffering too. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 26, 2020 4:35:02 GMT
Nolan didn’t flip his lid until WB took the theatrical releases away from his peers, so I’m not sure why he’s trying to frame him as some kind of selfish douche.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 17:46:42 GMT
Nolan didn’t flip his lid until WB took the theatrical releases away from his peers, so I’m not sure why he’s trying to frame him as some kind of selfish douche. He’s saying that it’s the world right now and he went too far. The studios have to do what’s best for them a well. Nolan wouldn’t be who he is without WB because it was his Batman franchise that put him on the map. Yes, he had some good films before Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, but he wouldn’t have been given Inception, Interstellar etc without WB and DC. These studios have to stay a float. They can’t just put billions of dollars into blockbusters and have them release in 10 theaters and lose money before finally making some profit on demand and streaming. And they can’t exactly wait another year to release WW84 and Dune etc in 2022 either. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 26, 2020 18:52:21 GMT
Nolan didn’t flip his lid until WB took the theatrical releases away from his peers, so I’m not sure why he’s trying to frame him as some kind of selfish douche. Because WB didn't do that in the first place and also the outrage does not correspond to the reality of the situation. Theater demand in a pandemic is in no way dependent on what WB does. Of all the studios they are the only one that released a tentpole movie in the middle of it ONLY TO PLEASE NOLAN. It's insanity to link this to the notion that WB doesn’t give their creative partners more freedom than other studios that don't focus on independent film.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 26, 2020 19:39:05 GMT
Just more covid hysteria news propaganda.
If movie companies were small businesses there would be lots of theaters open right now.
Corporations like to reduce content variety.
Funny that the news media didnt practice what they preach and close their offices to prevent covid infection like they demanded of so many more essential businesses.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 26, 2020 21:05:15 GMT
Nolan didn’t flip his lid until WB took the theatrical releases away from his peers, so I’m not sure why he’s trying to frame him as some kind of selfish douche. He’s saying that it’s the world right now and he went too far. The studios have to do what’s best for them a well. Nolan wouldn’t be who he is without WB because it was his Batman franchise that put him on the map. Yes, he had some good films before Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, but he wouldn’t have been given Inception, Interstellar etc without WB and DC. These studios have to stay a float. They can’t just put billions of dollars into blockbusters and have them release in 10 theaters and lose money before finally making some profit on demand and streaming. And they can’t exactly wait another year to release WW84 and Dune etc in 2022 either. Nolan wouldn’t be who he is today without the *theatrical* releases of his early blockbusters. That’s what he’s been saying. Release the exact same TDK movie in 2008 on the FX channel and the people who saw it would still like it, but it’d have little to no cultural impact and Nolan would be doing tiny indie flicks for the rest of his life. Another issue with your logic is that WB did not do the right thing professionally. I think an argument could be made it was the right call to put most of the movies on streaming, but they told no one and consulted with no one. Except maybe Gal Gadot/Patty Jenkins, who they for some reason compensated over other stars. Pretty bad business model if you ask me. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 26, 2020 21:09:42 GMT
Nolan didn’t flip his lid until WB took the theatrical releases away from his peers, so I’m not sure why he’s trying to frame him as some kind of selfish douche. Because WB didn't do that in the first place and also the outrage does not correspond to the reality of the situation. Theater demand in a pandemic is in no way dependent on what WB does. Of all the studios they are the only one that released a tentpole movie in the middle of it ONLY TO PLEASE NOLAN. It's insanity to link this to the notion that WB doesn’t give their creative partners more freedom than other studios that don't focus on independent film. Okay so they didn’t technically pull the theatrical releases...but they may as well have. Theaters are planning on lowering the ticket prices for the movies so WB feels the financial burden of the inherent limitation. The obvious chain reaction of that is for WB to pull the movies early or just pull them altogether. Then you’re talking about a broken studio-to-theater relationship with one of the largest studios on the planet. And it has nothing to do with creative freedom. It has everything to do with the fact that WB had theatrical release dates for a plethora of big movies and they decided out of nowhere to pull the rug out from under directors, actors, theaters, etc. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 26, 2020 21:24:24 GMT
Because WB didn't do that in the first place and also the outrage does not correspond to the reality of the situation. Theater demand in a pandemic is in no way dependent on what WB does. Of all the studios they are the only one that released a tentpole movie in the middle of it ONLY TO PLEASE NOLAN. It's insanity to link this to the notion that WB doesn’t give their creative partners more freedom than other studios that don't focus on independent film. Okay so they didn’t technically pull the theatrical releases...but they may as well have. Theaters are planning on lowering the ticket prices for the movies so WB feels the financial burden of the inherent limitation. The obvious chain reaction of that is for WB to pull the movies early or just pull them altogether. Then you’re talking about a broken studio-to-theater relationship with one of the largest studios on the planet. And it has nothing to do with creative freedom. It has everything to do with the fact that WB had theatrical release dates for a plethora of big movies and they decided out of nowhere to pull the rug out from under directors, actors, theaters, etc. This is why the artist’s argument are disingenuous. They’re saying that people want to see them in theaters but then are saying they won’t see them in theaters which can only mean that fans don’t care. It’s not about fans and it’s not about theaters because theaters cannot attract audiences. They are simply trying to extract money out WB that isn’t earned. Why would WB risk bankruptcy over that? I sure wouldn’t. More people than ever are going to see their films and they’re whining about it solely it’s not tied to a ticket price that was never going materialize in 2021...Cerrainly not for Dune or Godzilla at least. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 21:28:26 GMT
He’s saying that it’s the world right now and he went too far. The studios have to do what’s best for them a well. Nolan wouldn’t be who he is without WB because it was his Batman franchise that put him on the map. Yes, he had some good films before Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, but he wouldn’t have been given Inception, Interstellar etc without WB and DC. These studios have to stay a float. They can’t just put billions of dollars into blockbusters and have them release in 10 theaters and lose money before finally making some profit on demand and streaming. And they can’t exactly wait another year to release WW84 and Dune etc in 2022 either. Nolan wouldn’t be who he is today without the *theatrical* releases of his early blockbusters. That’s what he’s been saying. Release the exact same TDK movie in 2008 on the FX channel and the people who saw it would still like it, but it’d have little to no cultural impact and Nolan would be doing tiny indie flicks for the rest of his life. Another issue with your logic is that WB did not do the right thing professionally. I think an argument could be made it was the right call to put most of the movies on streaming, but they told no one and consulted with no one. Except maybe Gal Gadot/Patty Jenkins, who they for some reason compensated over other stars. Pretty bad business model if you ask me. So what was WB supposed to do? Wait until 2022 to release WW84 or Dune? |
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Post by Ransom on Dec 26, 2020 21:29:18 GMT
Okay so they didn’t technically pull the theatrical releases...but they may as well have. Theaters are planning on lowering the ticket prices for the movies so WB feels the financial burden of the inherent limitation. The obvious chain reaction of that is for WB to pull the movies early or just pull them altogether. Then you’re talking about a broken studio-to-theater relationship with one of the largest studios on the planet. And it has nothing to do with creative freedom. It has everything to do with the fact that WB had theatrical release dates for a plethora of big movies and they decided out of nowhere to pull the rug out from under directors, actors, theaters, etc. This is why the artist’s argument are disingenuous. They’re saying that people want to see them in theaters but then are saying they won’t see them in theaters which can only mean that fans don’t care. It’s not about fans and it’s not about theaters because theaters cannot attract audiences. They are simply trying to extract money out WB that isn’t earned. Why would WB risk bankruptcy over that? I sure wouldn’t. More people than ever are going to see their films and they’re whining about it solely it’s not tied to a ticket price that was never going materialize in 2021...Cerrainly not for Dune or Godzilla at least. That isn't earned? What do you mean by that? |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 26, 2020 22:42:28 GMT
"Everyone is in the same boat". And they're fighting over the life-jackets.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 26, 2020 22:53:58 GMT
Okay so they didn’t technically pull the theatrical releases...but they may as well have. Theaters are planning on lowering the ticket prices for the movies so WB feels the financial burden of the inherent limitation. The obvious chain reaction of that is for WB to pull the movies early or just pull them altogether. Then you’re talking about a broken studio-to-theater relationship with one of the largest studios on the planet. And it has nothing to do with creative freedom. It has everything to do with the fact that WB had theatrical release dates for a plethora of big movies and they decided out of nowhere to pull the rug out from under directors, actors, theaters, etc. This is why the artist’s argument are disingenuous. They’re saying that people want to see them in theaters but then are saying they won’t see them in theaters which can only mean that fans don’t care. It’s not about fans and it’s not about theaters because theaters cannot attract audiences. They are simply trying to extract money out WB that isn’t earned. Why would WB risk bankruptcy over that? I sure wouldn’t. More people than ever are going to see their films and they’re whining about it solely it’s not tied to a ticket price that was never going materialize in 2021...Cerrainly not for Dune or Godzilla at least. I don’t think that’s a fair assessment. Theaters aren’t lucrative at this moment in history because of a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic preventing people from going. Theaters are mostly closed everywhere, and where they aren’t the seating capacity is less than half the auditorium. And around me at least, the theater is open for a shorter amount of time and less showings because of required cleaning. So it’s not that the theaters are - by default - failing. They’re failing because literally everything is working against them. And I’d like to see how you’d react if your salary and the salary of your peers shrunk immensely because of some decision out of left field you were never consulted about. Let’s not forgot why we started arguing here - apparently this DP thinks Nolan is being selfish for speaking out against the studio for what they did to the directors and other studios they had under contract. I said that was poor framing and a misrepresentation imo. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 26, 2020 23:00:38 GMT
Nolan wouldn’t be who he is today without the *theatrical* releases of his early blockbusters. That’s what he’s been saying. Release the exact same TDK movie in 2008 on the FX channel and the people who saw it would still like it, but it’d have little to no cultural impact and Nolan would be doing tiny indie flicks for the rest of his life. Another issue with your logic is that WB did not do the right thing professionally. I think an argument could be made it was the right call to put most of the movies on streaming, but they told no one and consulted with no one. Except maybe Gal Gadot/Patty Jenkins, who they for some reason compensated over other stars. Pretty bad business model if you ask me. So what was WB supposed to do? Wait until 2022 to release WW84 or Dune? No, not necessarily. Look, I disagree with the decision. If I were in charge, I’d bet on the theaters and release the movies similar to Tenet - with a shorter release window and not available on demand at all. Then I’d cut my losses as much as possible and release it on digital earlier than usual. You’re still talking about much less money for a handful of really big movies, but I’d rather bet on the future where you could see the return of multi-billion dollar movies that release theatrically. That’s just me, though. I understand where WB is coming from - because they’ll certainly see more money right now than they otherwise would. But I don’t think it’s wholly sustainable for the long run. My main issue with all the hate towards Nolan’s comments is that WB obviously handled this very poorly and I think they knew exactly what they were doing. They knew if they told everyone beforehand they’d fight it and they figured they may as well just go behind the back of the people that provide their product. Pretty sleazy and worthy of criticism if you ask me. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 27, 2020 1:15:26 GMT
So what was WB supposed to do? Wait until 2022 to release WW84 or Dune? No, not necessarily. Look, I disagree with the decision. If I were in charge, I’d bet on the theaters and release the movies similar to Tenet - with a shorter release window and not available on demand at all. Then I’d cut my losses as much as possible and release it on digital earlier than usual. You’re still talking about much less money for a handful of really big movies, but I’d rather bet on the future where you could see the return of multi-billion dollar movies that release theatrically. That’s just me, though. I understand where WB is coming from - because they’ll certainly see more money right now than they otherwise would. But I don’t think it’s wholly sustainable for the long run. My main issue with all the hate towards Nolan’s comments is that WB obviously handled this very poorly and I think they knew exactly what they were doing. They knew if they told everyone beforehand they’d fight it and they figured they may as well just go behind the back of the people that provide their product. Pretty sleazy and worthy of criticism if you ask me. WB has no intention of it being sustainable long term. They like bragging about billion dollar movies as much as anyone else. That’s the whole point. This is a short term solution that could still help theaters. Wonder Woman is on track to have the largest opening during the pandemic. It’s low of course but it gets butts in the seats at theaters. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 27, 2020 1:21:43 GMT
This is why the artist’s argument are disingenuous. They’re saying that people want to see them in theaters but then are saying they won’t see them in theaters which can only mean that fans don’t care. It’s not about fans and it’s not about theaters because theaters cannot attract audiences. They are simply trying to extract money out WB that isn’t earned. Why would WB risk bankruptcy over that? I sure wouldn’t. More people than ever are going to see their films and they’re whining about it solely it’s not tied to a ticket price that was never going materialize in 2021...Cerrainly not for Dune or Godzilla at least. I don’t think that’s a fair assessment. Theaters aren’t lucrative at this moment in history because of a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic preventing people from going. Theaters are mostly closed everywhere, and where they aren’t the seating capacity is less than half the auditorium. And around me at least, the theater is open for a shorter amount of time and less showings because of required cleaning. So it’s not that the theaters are - by default - failing. They’re failing because literally everything is working against them. And I’d like to see how you’d react if your salary and the salary of your peers shrunk immensely because of some decision out of left field you were never consulted about. Let’s not forgot why we started arguing here - apparently this DP thinks Nolan is being selfish for speaking out against the studio for what they did to the directors and other studios they had under contract. I said that was poor framing and a misrepresentation imo. You clearly missed mine and the cinematographers point. the pandemic is screwing stuff up and streaming is a short term solution no matter how much audiences like it. That said, if any particular theater chain is about to go out of business it is not WB’s ethical, financial, or moral responsibility to try and bail them out...Even though they are helping them out. Nolan cares about Nolan who clearly prefers theater and IMAX. Big deal. So does the cinematographer and so does Warner. To be upset about a solution to a fire problem is childish and seems like a clear sign that he’s too out of touch with reality to realize the concerns of the general public. |
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