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Dec 29, 2020 18:30:56 GMT
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 29, 2020 18:30:56 GMT
Gerald Lawrence Schroeder is an Orthodox Jewish physicist, author, lecturer and teacher at College of Jewish Studies Aish HaTorah's Discovery Seminar, Essentials and Fellowships programs and Executive Learning Center, who focuses on what he perceives to be an inherent relationship between science and spirituality.
Schroeder received his BSc in 1959, his MSc in 1961, and his PhD in nuclear physics and earth and planetary sciences in 1965, from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He worked seven years on the staff of the MIT physics department. He was a member of the United States Atomic Energy Commission.
After emigrating to Israel in 1971, Schroeder was employed as a researcher at the Weizmann Institute of Science, the Volcani Research Institute, and the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. He currently teaches at Aish HaTorah College of Jewish Studies.
Schroeder attempts to reconcile a six-day creation as described in Genesis with the scientific evidence that the world is billions of years old using the idea that the perceived flow of time for a given event in an expanding universe varies with the observer's perspective of that event. He attempts to reconcile the two perspectives numerically, calculating the effect of the stretching of space-time, based on Albert Einstein's general relativity.Namely, that from the perspective of the point of origin of the Big Bang, according to Einstein's equations of the 'stretching factor', time dilates by a factor of roughly 1,000,000,000,000, meaning one trillion days on earth would appear to pass as one day from that point, due to the stretching of space.
When applied to the estimated age of the universe at 13.8 billion years, from the perspective of the point of origin, the universe today would appear to have just begun its sixth day of existence, or if the universe is 15 billion years old from the perspective of earth, it would appear to have just completed its sixth day. Antony Flew, an academic philosopher who promoted atheism for most of his adult life indicated that the arguments of Gerald Schroeder had influenced his decision to become a deist.
Works:
Genesis and the Big Bang (1990)
The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom, (1997)
The Hidden Face of God: Science Reveals the Ultimate Truth, (2002)
God According to God: A Physicist Proves We've Been Wrong About God All Along, (2009)
Not everyone agrees with him on either side of the argument, but I've read his books and they are fascinating, in my view.
I said "credible physicist" not creationist hacks. From wikipedia: "His theories to reconcile faith and science have drawn some criticism from both religious and non-religious scientists, and his works remain controversial in scientific circles" pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/11/confronted-with.htmlwww.judaismandscience.com/science-and-judaism-the-strange-claim-of-dr-schroeder-part-i/Also if his ideas were valid, wouldn't physicists overhwhelmingly agree with him?
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Dec 30, 2020 8:52:42 GMT
Post by SciFive on Dec 30, 2020 8:52:42 GMT
Schroeder received his BSc in 1959, his MSc in 1961, and his PhD in nuclear physics and earth and planetary sciences in 1965, from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He worked seven years on the staff of the MIT physics department. He was a member of the United States Atomic Energy Commission.
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Where are your BSc, MSc, and PhD degrees from MIT?
Where is your work experience in the MIT Physics department?
Where is your work experience in the United States Atomic Energy Commission?
Present these immediately or don't bother claiming again that this physicist isn't credible.
Disagreeing with this man doesn't remove all his MIT degrees.
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Dec 30, 2020 10:34:51 GMT
Post by FilmFlaneur on Dec 30, 2020 10:34:51 GMT
Schroeder received his BSc in 1959, his MSc in 1961, and his PhD in nuclear physics and earth and planetary sciences in 1965, from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He worked seven years on the staff of the MIT physics department. He was a member of the United States Atomic Energy Commission.
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Where are your BSc, MSc, and PhD degrees from MIT?
Where is your work experience in the MIT Physics department?
Where is your work experience in the United States Atomic Energy Commission?
Present these immediately or don't bother claiming again that this physicist isn't credible.
Disagreeing with this man doesn't remove all his MIT degrees.
All we need now is for you is to cite his peer-reviewed scientific papers on this specific topic of Day Age creationism.
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Dec 30, 2020 11:57:35 GMT
Post by SciFive on Dec 30, 2020 11:57:35 GMT
These stupid games people play:
1. 'Give me the name of one credible physicist who disagrees with me! Nyaaa! Nyaaa!' 2. 'I don't consider anyone who disagrees with me to be credible, even if the person has 100 PhD degrees from MIT.'
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Dec 30, 2020 12:07:00 GMT
Post by FilmFlaneur on Dec 30, 2020 12:07:00 GMT
These stupid games people play:
1. 'Give me the name of one credible physicist who disagrees with me! Nyaaa! Nyaaa!' 2. 'I don't consider anyone who disagrees with me to be credible, even if the person has 100 PhD degrees from MIT.'
You mean he hasn't published any science papers, peer-reviewed, in connection with creationism? Specifically reconciling a six-day creation as described in Genesis with the scientific evidence that the world is billions of years old and all? How can that be, if he is so credible an authority?
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Dec 30, 2020 13:01:19 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 30, 2020 13:01:19 GMT
This escalated quickly
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Dec 30, 2020 13:18:40 GMT
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Post by SciFive on Dec 30, 2020 13:18:40 GMT
Dr. Schroeder isn’t demanding that the world of science accept his analysis of how science fits with religion.
He has published four books about it, but he does not demand that all scientists believe in God.
He is an MIT physicist who sees the connection between science and God.
If anyone doesn’t want to see it, bully for him/her.
He is sharing what he sees.
He has more credentials than most people could ever dream of having.
I was asked for a credible physicist and he is one.
No one is forced to believe his correlations between science and God. Chalk it up to an infinite number of wild coincidences.
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Dec 30, 2020 14:04:44 GMT
Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 30, 2020 14:04:44 GMT
Dr. Schroeder isn’t demanding that the world of science accept his analysis of how science fits with religion. He has published four books about it, but he does not demand that all scientists believe in God. He is an MIT physicist who sees the connection between science and God. If anyone doesn’t want to see it, bully for him/her. He is sharing what he sees. He has more credentials than most people could ever dream of having. I was asked for a credible physicist and he is one. No one is forced to believe his correlations between science and God. Chalk it up to an infinite number of wild coincidences. "Dr. Schroeder isn’t demanding that the world of science accept his analysis of how science fits with religion." Well yeah because most scientists aren't creationist hacks "He has published four books about it, but he does not demand that all scientists believe in God." Believing in God and clumsily trying to shoe horn God into science are two different things. Nice Motte and Bailey. "He is an MIT physicist who sees the connection between science and God." And there are climate scientists who think global warming isn't real. I dunno what kind of argument you think you're making. "He is sharing what he sees." Yes in the same way climate scientists who deny global warming are just sharing what they "see". Again I dunno what point you think you're making. "He has more credentials than most people could ever dream of having." This is just an appeal to authority fallacy. Imagine if I found someone with a Harvard math degree but for some inane reason they think pi equals exactly three, does simply having a Harvard degree add validity to their belief? "I was asked for a credible physicist and he is one." You mean the one that's been criticized for his views by other scientists? You do realize the vast majority of pysicists disagree with him, right? Do you believe a global warming denier can be a credible climate scientist? "No one is forced to believe his correlations between science and God. Chalk it up to an infinite number of wild coincidences. " And a strawman. And they're not "coincidences" they're called desperate leaps in logic. I could take just about any religion and make "connections" to science if I tried hard enough. I linked you an article (by another jew in fact) that debunks many of his religious claims.
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Dec 30, 2020 14:08:04 GMT
Post by SciFive on Dec 30, 2020 14:08:04 GMT
You have proven again that you do not know how to hold a conversation with human beings.
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Dec 30, 2020 14:09:36 GMT
Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 30, 2020 14:09:36 GMT
You have proven again that you do not know how to hold a conversation with human beings.
How so? Are you gonna actually respond to anything I said or dodge and resort to petty ad homs again?
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Dec 30, 2020 14:10:55 GMT
Post by SciFive on Dec 30, 2020 14:10:55 GMT
The bottom line is that billions and billions of innocent people think what they want.
The Horror. The Horror.
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Dec 30, 2020 14:12:35 GMT
Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 30, 2020 14:12:35 GMT
These stupid games people play:
1. 'Give me the name of one credible physicist who disagrees with me! Nyaaa! Nyaaa!' 2. 'I don't consider anyone who disagrees with me to be credible, even if the person has 100 PhD degrees from MIT.'
Do you believe a flat earther can be a credible geographer? I asked for credible scientists, not creationist hacks whose been criticized by other people in his field.
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Dec 30, 2020 14:13:02 GMT
Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 30, 2020 14:13:02 GMT
The bottom line is that billions and billions of innocent people think what they want.
The Horror. The Horror.
This has nothing to do with what I posted. Evasion noted.
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Dec 30, 2020 14:24:24 GMT
Post by SciFive on Dec 30, 2020 14:24:24 GMT
Minutes later, billions and billions of innocent people on Earth still believe in a higher power.
It seems pretty persistent. 
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Dec 30, 2020 15:11:38 GMT
Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 30, 2020 15:11:38 GMT
Minutes later, billions and billions of innocent people on Earth still believe in a higher power.
It seems pretty persistent.
This has nothing to do with what I posted. Evasion still noted.
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Dec 30, 2020 15:23:15 GMT
Post by SciFive on Dec 30, 2020 15:23:15 GMT
Dr. Shroeder's books really are good - I'm reading them again.
He covers so much of what goes on here, it's amazing.
He knows the ins and outs of atheists vs believers, that's for sure.
I'm happy to be reminded of him.
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Dec 30, 2020 15:40:56 GMT
Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 30, 2020 15:40:56 GMT
"He has more credentials than most people could ever dream of having." This is just an appeal to authority fallacy. Imagine if I found someone with a Harvard math degree but for some inane reason they think pi equals exactly three, does simply having a Harvard degree add validity to their belief? Short levity and eyeroll break .... I have a brother who has a PhD in Geology and has been the head of the Earth Sciences Dept at a University for eons. He could look at a handful of sand and identify each grain by type and probable origin BUT he thinks that it is "pointless and ridiculous to name each species and variety of bird" ! As a further aside ....S5 reminds me of his odious wife ... she too can beat a dead horse so badly that even the vultures won't eat it... and hyperbole champion ? ... whoa ,,, they could be twins ! and now back to the regularly scheduled S5 Show 
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Dec 30, 2020 16:03:05 GMT
Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 30, 2020 16:03:05 GMT
Dr. Shroeder's books really are good - I'm reading them again.
He covers so much of what goes on here, it's amazing.
He knows the ins and outs of atheists vs believers, that's for sure.
I'm happy to be reminded of him.
"Dr. Shroeder's books really are good - I'm reading them again." I'm sure they're great for preaching to the choir and useless at making convincing, empirically based argument "He covers so much of what goes on here, it's amazing." Translation: "He's great at reaffirming my already preconceived beliefs that aren't based on empirical evidence!" "He knows the ins and outs of atheists vs believers, that's for sure." If his views on atheism and secular thought are anything like yours, I would expect nothing but Strawmans and nonsequitors from him.
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Dec 30, 2020 17:04:45 GMT
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Post by SciFive on Dec 30, 2020 17:04:45 GMT
People really should read Dr. Shroeder’s fourth book - “God According to God”. He knows atheists like the back of his hand and he isn’t angry with them. |
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Dec 30, 2020 17:11:44 GMT
Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 30, 2020 17:11:44 GMT
People really should read Dr. Shroeder’s fourth book - “God According to God”. He knows atheists like the back of his hand and he isn’t angry with them. "He knows atheists like the back of his hand and he isn’t angry with them" I'll interpret that as "He's great at making up strawmans about atheists!"
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