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Post by Ransom on Jan 1, 2021 21:41:23 GMT
Wonder Woman was naïve and at times impatient but her goal was always to rid the world of wars or to end the wars of all wars in any way I think you've got an idea of Wonder Woman that maybe the director put into your head and you decided to run with it. Even in the comics she snapped someone's head off. God you are such a thick twat, YES thats the fucking point I am saying I felt like the movie was moving in one direction that nonsensically pivoted away in the final fucking. I have no problem with WW killing, she is a warrior thats what they fucking do, but in this movie THIS story they make out war and violence is a pitfall of humankind, but Diana a fucking Amazon is just as guilty of those flaws as any human, which is why I felt like them ovie was leading up to the reveal to Diana after she killed Luddendorf that Ares did not cause the war, he merely enjoyed it and prodded a few pieces here and there, but ultimately humanity chose to go to war, and all that did was make Ares stronger, but they chickened out on that in favour of a shitty CGI battle. Diana's goal yes was to end the war or was it to kill Ares? the war was ending anyway but Diana had to push for her mission to kill Ares, despite him being around and powerful peace was breaking out, Diana's mission is not to ensure that the peace talks succeed her focus is killing the god of war to stop a war she is already being told is on the brink of coming to an end...do you follow me on this? peace is nearing so why does Diana feel Ares must be killed? if he can prevent peace why is he allowing it to get so close? Diana doesn't think anything through she's got a one tracked mind kill Ares because she assumes killing him will end all war, which storywise is fucking stupid given they set the movie in WW1 for fuck sake, it's called WW1 for a reason, so if Ares is the cause of the war then why the fuck does WW2 happen? This is where had they used the narrative of Ares did not start the war, nor is he keeping it going, all he does is feed off of the conflict humans cause all on their own, and yes he meddles but only for his own amusement, he can influence the location of an attack but he cannot prompt one, this way in the context of the narrative of the film and the entire DCEU it explains why killing Ares does not make the earth a world of peace and tranquillity, can you understand this at all? is it getting through yet? THIS is my issue with the movie, not Diana killing, I just point that out because the movie has her killing and enjoy doing so all through out until the final 5 minutes when she just randomly goes love is the answer and then pretends like she hadn't been chasing blood and violence for the entire movie, had they made her WW like in some of the comics or animated movies where she actually enjoys and thrives on combat thats cool, so long as the narrative fits, it didn't here because of how they ended the movie, it's a sudden shift in viewpoint, not a gradual one, Diana literally goes from stabbing a cowering Luddendorf with enough force to cause a shockwave whilst smiling, to being like no violence is not the solution in a snap of the fingers, had it been a gradual realisation thats fine, but it's not it's literally violence violence violence violence violence violence, kill Luddendorf, violence violence no more violence, kill Ares, violence violence violence, oh and yeah war keeps happening despite Ares' death, big shock. You're a fucking cunt that is spending his new year treating a fucking comic book movie like a fucking university exam I'm done with you and this fucking conversation. Fucking twat.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 1, 2021 23:41:38 GMT
And that's why you defeat him. Make up something that weakens him for decades. You have a movie about a warrior princess, that wants to save man's world by teaching them they are wrong, but then do the same thing as men? How do you weaken a god? Most of the time Ares was manipulating wars even in his weakened human form anyway. Why am I getting the rather annoying feeling that I'm the only one on this thread that actually watched the movie and I don't even like it. This is a movie that created a woman out of clay and gave it life. There are aliens and speedsters and ancient witches. Weaken him with the Gobbly Gook Stone of Ralph.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 1, 2021 23:48:06 GMT
How do you weaken a god? Most of the time Ares was manipulating wars even in his weakened human form anyway. Why am I getting the rather annoying feeling that I'm the only one on this thread that actually watched the movie and I don't even like it. This is a movie that created a woman out of clay and gave it life. There are aliens and speedsters and ancient witches. Weaken him with the Gobbly Gook Stone of Ralph. For the record, the movie version of Wonder Woman wasn’t made from clay. She’s the daughter of Zeus. Also, you’re basically suggesting that the movie throw in a MacGuffin that would only come into play during the climax. That would just needlessly complicate an otherwise simple story.
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Post by Ransom on Jan 1, 2021 23:50:08 GMT
How do you weaken a god? Most of the time Ares was manipulating wars even in his weakened human form anyway. Why am I getting the rather annoying feeling that I'm the only one on this thread that actually watched the movie and I don't even like it. This is a movie that created a woman out of clay and gave it life. There are aliens and speedsters and ancient witches. Weaken him with the Gobbly Gook Stone of Ralph. He was already manipulating World war 1 as a weakened human anyway without his powers.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 1, 2021 23:56:12 GMT
This is a movie that created a woman out of clay and gave it life. There are aliens and speedsters and ancient witches. Weaken him with the Gobbly Gook Stone of Ralph. For the record, the movie version of Wonder Woman wasn’t made from clay. She’s the daughter of Zeus. Also, you’re basically suggesting that the movie throw in a MacGuffin that would only come into play during the climax. That would just needlessly complicate an otherwise simple story. You do know that we aren't watching the movies as they film it, right? Have a couple lines that her armor is special. Then in the end of the movie, have Ares look weird at the tiara asking if that's the Gobbly Gook Stone of Ralph. Then have all the power from it drain out of it as it takes Ares power away from him. I don't know. I'm just saying you can weaken him.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 1, 2021 23:57:48 GMT
This is a movie that created a woman out of clay and gave it life. There are aliens and speedsters and ancient witches. Weaken him with the Gobbly Gook Stone of Ralph. He was already manipulating World war 1 as a weakened human anyway without his powers. What do you mean as a weakened human?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 2, 2021 0:00:32 GMT
For the record, the movie version of Wonder Woman wasn’t made from clay. She’s the daughter of Zeus. Also, you’re basically suggesting that the movie throw in a MacGuffin that would only come into play during the climax. That would just needlessly complicate an otherwise simple story. You do know that we aren't watching the movies as they film it, right? Have a couple lines that her armor is special. Then in the end of the movie, have Ares look weird at the tiara asking if that's the Gobbly Gook Stone of Ralph. Then have all the power from it drain out of it as it takes Ares power away from him. I don't know. I'm just saying you can weaken him. Do you take as big an issue with Spider-Man killing Ebony Maw? No, I’m not calling you a blind Marvel fanboy. I’m just wondering what your two cents is on that. It always seems like people only ever complain when DC heroes are the ones killing bad guys, even though characters like Spider-Man also follow a pretty strict no-kill rule.
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Post by Ransom on Jan 2, 2021 0:00:47 GMT
He was already manipulating World war 1 as a weakened human anyway without his powers. What do you mean as a weakened human? British civil servant is as weak as it gets.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 3, 2021 20:11:36 GMT
I really don't know what this conversation is going on about. She left the island to KILL Ares. She took what she thought was the "God Killer" sword with her to KILL Ares. She thought Luddendorf was Ares when she killed him. She did not intentionally kill a human being.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 3, 2021 21:11:02 GMT
What do you mean as a weakened human? British civil servant is as weak as it gets. He could have done the same thing as the assistant to a guy working in the mail room.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 3, 2021 21:18:13 GMT
You do know that we aren't watching the movies as they film it, right? Have a couple lines that her armor is special. Then in the end of the movie, have Ares look weird at the tiara asking if that's the Gobbly Gook Stone of Ralph. Then have all the power from it drain out of it as it takes Ares power away from him. I don't know. I'm just saying you can weaken him. Do you take as big an issue with Spider-Man killing Ebony Maw? No, I’m not calling you a blind Marvel fanboy. I’m just wondering what your two cents is on that. It always seems like people only ever complain when DC heroes are the ones killing bad guys, even though characters like Spider-Man also follow a pretty strict no-kill rule. I have no issue with her killing him. This part of the discussion started with the idea that she had to kill him. All I'm saying is that she didn't have to. Especially when the whole idea was that man was dangerous and she needs to change man's world. So going out there to do exactly the same thing as man is kinda ironic. But that is understandable since she is a warrior princess.
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