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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 4:11:53 GMT
Think about it.
The Bride (Beatrix Kiddo) goes to Hatori Hanzo to make him break his oath to God. To never make an instrument that can kill, ever again... because she’s going to “Kill Bill”. Because he was a former student of Hanzo, and it’s Bill’s fault what happened to The Bride. So he agrees to make the sword for her.
Now, she uses it to take out the Crazy 88s, O-Ren Ishi’s henchmen and finally O-Ren... but after that...
2) Kills Vivica A Fox with a knife (thrown at her chest)
3) Budd is killed by Elle with a Black Mamba in his trailer.
4) Elle is killed (assumed) by Beatrix snatching her eye out and leaving her for dead in the desert. She also fought her with Budds Hanzo sword.
5) Kills Bill with the five point exploding heart palm technique.
So, again. I ask. Why?
Couldn’t she have tracked down Budd, caught him off guard, killed him and stole his Hanzo sword? Then go after O-Ren? Budd wasn’t on speaking terms with Bill at the time (argument established in Vol. 2) ... so he wouldn’t have found out. She could have still caught him off guard by killing O-Ren.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 20, 2021 4:20:32 GMT
I think it can be argued that she changed her mind about how to kill him in Kill Bill: Vol. 2, when it introduces the 5 finger hand of death. He hits the sword away in the final scene and then she catches him off guard and kills him in an even more personal way.
As to why she didn't steal Budd's sword. Wasn't the whole point to get Hanzo to break his oath and then rub that in Bill's face?
Then the 5 finger is introduced in Part 2 and a similar reason is used for that.
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Post by Hurdy Gurdy Man on Jan 20, 2021 4:41:05 GMT
The only point I see is that Sonny Chiba is awesome.
Eh... it's enough for me.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jan 20, 2021 4:46:38 GMT
The needed the sword to perfectly scalp O-Ren...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 11:15:30 GMT
The only point I see is that Sonny Chiba is awesome.
Eh... it's enough for me.
Oh, I agree. One of the best parts of either film is when she travels to Okinawa Japan to visit Hanzo. His lines are amazing. I’m just saying. If you have the best sword ever made by a man. Why not use it? |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 20, 2021 16:27:15 GMT
She liked matching weapons against her enemies. She went after Vernita with a knife because that was her choice of weapon.
The Hanzo sword was mostly for Bill, but also for Oren and Budd because she knew they had their own swords to fight with.
You can't fault her for Budd's death. She was fully planning to kill him with the Hanzo sword. She didn't count on him shooting her instead.
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Post by poelzig on Jan 20, 2021 22:32:01 GMT
The only point I see is that Sonny Chiba is awesome.
Eh... it's enough for me.
Oh, I agree. One of the best parts of either film is when she travels to Okinawa Japan to visit Hanzo. His lines are amazing. I’m just saying. If you have the best sword ever made by a man. Why not use it? She did use it. Were you in the bathroom when Kiddo fought and killed, defeated and dismembered O-Ren, Sophie, Johnny Mo, and every other member of the Crazy 88s? She even used it to hopefully alter the life of a wayward Japanese youth. Without the Hanzo sword and an opportune chair leg, she never would have made it out of House of the Blue Leaves alive. Kiddo also used it numerous other times so are you sure you saw the movies?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 20, 2021 22:46:12 GMT
What else? To clumsily insert a Sonny Chiba cameo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 22:58:52 GMT
Oh, I agree. One of the best parts of either film is when she travels to Okinawa Japan to visit Hanzo. His lines are amazing. I’m just saying. If you have the best sword ever made by a man. Why not use it? She did use it. Were you in the bathroom when Kiddo fought and killed, defeated and dismembered O-Ren, Sophie, Johnny Mo, and every other member of the Crazy 88s? She even used it to hopefully alter the life of a wayward Japanese youth. Without the Hanzo sword and an opportune chair leg, she never would have made it out of House of the Blue Leaves alive. Kiddo also used it numerous other times so are you sure you saw the movies? I said that in my OP she did those things. But what I’m saying is, why not use it on the others? Or was the sole purpose of getting that sword just to take on O-Ren? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 23:06:57 GMT
I thought she went after O-Ren first because she was already the hardest to get to unawares.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 23:28:51 GMT
I thought she went after O-Ren first because she was already the hardest to get to unawares. True, but what I was saying was this. Budd lived in the middle of nowhere. He wasn’t even on speaking terms with Bill (according to Vol. 2 they had a falling out. They only spoke because Bill was afraid Beatrix Kiddo was coming to kill him.) So if she kills Budd, nobody is going to know. Only his manager at the titty bar. If she takes his Hanzo Sword (which she would know Bill gave him) then she could still go after O-Ren Ishi with a Hanzo sword, undetected, and still not make Hatroi Hanzo break his oath. |
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Post by Marv on Jan 21, 2021 0:49:31 GMT
It’s mostly symbolic of her quest for revenge.
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Post by Marv on Jan 21, 2021 0:51:40 GMT
I thought she went after O-Ren first because she was already the hardest to get to unawares. I actually thought it was because O Ren was the most public, being well known as a yakuza boss. Also could’ve had to do with Sophie, who I assume is the one to tell Beatrix where to find the other Deadly Vipers. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 21, 2021 14:27:38 GMT
I thought she went after O-Ren first because she was already the hardest to get to unawares. I actually thought it was because O Ren was the most public, being well known as a yakuza boss. Also could’ve had to do with Sophie, who I assume is the one to tell Beatrix where to find the other Deadly Vipers. Yeah. The Bride mentions O-Ren was the easiest to find.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 21, 2021 15:19:55 GMT
She should have assumed that she needed the sword to defeat at least 3 other people.
Plus I was under the impression that no one tried to kill Bill before so Hanson made an exception.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 21, 2021 21:31:04 GMT
I'm not sure you are considering the nature of this movie. This movie is an homage to Samurai movies, kung fu movies, spaghetti westerns, and grind house flicks. Most of those types of movies would not stand up to the sort of over-analysis that you are trying to apply to this movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 22:12:00 GMT
I'm not sure you are considering the nature of this movie. This movie is an homage to Samurai movies, kung fu movies, spaghetti westerns, and grind house flicks. Most of those types of movies would not stand up to the sort of over-analysis that you are trying to apply to this movie. I know all of that. I’m just making a topic to discuss. I get the semantics. I’m just saying. She should have at least killed Bill with the sword. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 22, 2021 5:27:12 GMT
Why didn't one, just one, of the Crazy 88's pull out a gun? Maybe Tarantino thought that KB1 had enough swordplay?
We all know Tarantino's movies bend reality.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 22, 2021 15:48:40 GMT
I'm not sure you are considering the nature of this movie. This movie is an homage to Samurai movies, kung fu movies, spaghetti westerns, and grind house flicks. Most of those types of movies would not stand up to the sort of over-analysis that you are trying to apply to this movie. I know all of that. I’m just making a topic to discuss. I get the semantics. I’m just saying. She should have at least killed Bill with the sword. Bill had a sword too. Bill had everything and the point of the ending was he was killed by something he didn’t have and the Bride earned. |
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