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Post by drystyx on Jan 27, 2021 4:52:53 GMT
Like most people in the seventies, we didn't have color TV, so we just saw shirts on Kirk, McCoy, and that emotionless pointy eared Vulcan.
So my generation never knew the "color shirts" thing that I hear about.
When we see reruns in color, we never pay attention to the color shirts, so we're oblivious. It appears, the color shirt has something to do with ranks. I think the shirts are red and blue, and I guess one is for officers and the other for enlisted, but when people speak of the color shirts, I get confused.
I confess, I dunno who wears what color shirt. Only girly guys know that, right? No offense to girly guys. I think they are very organized, and deserve respect for knowing what color shirts are worn by officers and by enlisted on Star Trek.
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Post by onethreetwo on Jan 27, 2021 5:10:24 GMT
I was in the "Star Trek Club" at my middle school and I went to 5 Star Trek conventions in the 90s - when those were big thing.
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Post by Catman on Jan 27, 2021 11:49:16 GMT
Catman's parents received a color television from some friends back in 1956. The friends won it in a contest, and as they already had a high-end black-and-white model, they saw no need for another, what with most programming at the time being in black-and-white. So Catman did see Star Trek in living color when it first aired.
And when they showed The Wizard of Oz each year, the neighborhood kids came over to watch.
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Post by general313 on Jan 27, 2021 17:50:12 GMT
If I recall, it was gold for command, blue for science, and red for engineering (or something like that). Spock and McCoy wore blue, Kirk gold, Scotty and Uhura red.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jan 27, 2021 19:50:35 GMT
If I recall, it was gold for command, blue for science, and red for engineering (or something like that). Spock and McCoy wore blue, Kirk gold, Scotty and Uhura red.
And of course on the away missions wearing a red shirt was practically a death sentence...
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Post by progressiveelement on Jan 28, 2021 11:27:28 GMT
In The Cage, they all wear golden sweaters.
I think most of them wear the same in Where No Man Has Gone Before, I think the doctor they have is in blue, all the physicians are in blue, including a not-yet-helmsman Sulu.
Then from The Man Trap onwards, and through the animated one:
Kirk - gold
Spock - blue
Bones - blue
Uhura - red (after awhile wearing red)
Sulu - gold
Chekov - gold
Scotty - red
Chapel - blue
Then the first movie, they're all wearing these white/beige uniforms, with bars I think that denote the old-style colours.
Then in films 2 to opening of 7, they're wearing all-red tunics, black trousers, I think their collars denoted the old-style colours.
The Next Gen changed the uniforms again. And again. And they changed in Deep Space Nine. I think Generations had changed theirs into DS9's style of uniforms. Voyager had similar uniforms to Next Gen and DS9. They changed again during Deep Space Nine when they're all grey-topped, as so in First Contact. I can't even remember what they wore in the next two, probably grey again.
The 2009 movie had slightly revised versions of the original show's uniforms.
They kept it for Into Darkness. Except for formal occasions, when they'd be more military-like.
But changed again into blue uniforms, kinda similar to movies 2-part of 7's red uniforms.
And they're all blue in Discovery. Except the doc, he's white. And the Enterprise crew - Pike, Spock, and co, are wearing uniforms more like the original show
Picard - well, he's going off on his own, and Seven of Nine has become a space vigilante, uniforms seem not to matter. Those we see of Starfleet, they seem to have gone back to the Next Gen style.
Lower Decks - I think they're all red in that one.
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Post by klandersen on Jan 28, 2021 14:40:47 GMT
Most of the comments so far have been on track. Original series (TOS) Blue = Medical and Science, Red = Engineering, communications and SECURITY, Gold = Command. Technically the yellow/gold was supposed to be Green, but the shade of green used showed as a Gold/Yellow under the studio lights, so the story goes. Also since Security was in Red and often the "landing parties" (later termed "Away Teams" in Next Generation) included a handful of Red shirted Unnamed Security dudes that would get killed. So wearing a "red" shirt become a stigma and meant bad juju. Also of note the gold triangle/chevron shaped chest patches/badges had black symbols on them: stars (or a type of jet?) for command, a sort of curling lighting bolt for engineering, a simple "plus" cross for medical, a couple of circles for science. Also different ships had different badge shapes, as well as space station crews and ambassadors. For generic "Starfleet" badges they were round or round flower shaped.
The movies made with the TOS crew, before handing the movie franchise mantle to the Next Gen crew, made some changes. The first one "The Motion Picture" had a completely different concept and the uniforms had attached booties making them look like pajamas. The 2nd movie (which has been mentioned) put everyone in Red tunics with their lapels/shoulder straps in their designated section colors.
Star Trek: The Next Generation (which was based nearly 100 years later than TOS 90some years if I recall) in an effort to avoid the Red Shirt dilemma put Command in Red, and put Security and Engineering in the Gold/Green and kept medical and science in blue (teal).
Deep Space 9 and Voyager kept the same basic Next Generation color system since they were at the same time as Next Gen.
Enterprise was based about 100 years before TOS at the "beginnings" of Starfleet or at least the start of Earth's membership in Starfleet. They were all in navy blue with their color coding in trim along the shoulders.
Discovery is in all blue with gold trim. It is also based before TOS but only about 20 or so years before if I recall. But then they have made some changes to the "history" and now I understand they have time jumped a few hundred years into the future about 100 or 200 years after Next Gen.
Lower Decks I thought was following Next Gen standard. I didn't think that was produced by Paramount, but was officially approved by them. I could be wrong as there have been way too many changes in the last 20 years or so.
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Post by general313 on Jan 28, 2021 16:49:59 GMT
I suppose in the early days of color television it was natural for costume designers to go with bold colors to show off the new technology, so you have the Original Series with bold colors, and the later series more muted, regardless of whether the series was supposed to happen before or after the Original Series. I think early Hollywood movies in color did the same thing (Adventures of Robin Hood, Gone with the Wind).
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Post by MCDemuth on Jan 28, 2021 17:41:08 GMT
If I recall, it was gold for command, blue for science, and red for engineering (or something like that). Spock and McCoy wore blue, Kirk gold, Scotty and Uhura red. Yes, that is exactly right... The colored shirts basically represented what 'departments' the crew members were in... and it continued that way through the newer TV Series too... Though, the Red and Gold colors were swapped by the 24th century... Interestingly, there were a few episodes where KIRK wore a GREEN Shirt, which signified that he was the Ship's Captain. Oddly, Captain Picard wore a 'Jacket' every once in a while.
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Post by general313 on Feb 4, 2021 22:25:47 GMT
According to the OP you're all "girly guys".   I'm supposed to care what some pussy thinks?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 4, 2021 22:27:19 GMT
If I recall, it was gold for command, blue for science, and red for engineering (or something like that). Spock and McCoy wore blue, Kirk gold, Scotty and Uhura red.
And of course on the away missions wearing a red shirt was practically a death sentence...
In The Cage, they all wear golden sweaters. I think most of them wear the same in Where No Man Has Gone Before, I think the doctor they have is in blue, all the physicians are in blue, including a not-yet-helmsman Sulu. Then from The Man Trap onwards, and through the animated one: Kirk - gold Spock - blue Bones - blue Uhura - red (after awhile wearing red) Sulu - gold Chekov - gold Scotty - red Chapel - blue Then the first movie, they're all wearing these white/beige uniforms, with bars I think that denote the old-style colours. Then in films 2 to opening of 7, they're wearing all-red tunics, black trousers, I think their collars denoted the old-style colours. The Next Gen changed the uniforms again. And again. And they changed in Deep Space Nine. I think Generations had changed theirs into DS9's style of uniforms. Voyager had similar uniforms to Next Gen and DS9. They changed again during Deep Space Nine when they're all grey-topped, as so in First Contact. I can't even remember what they wore in the next two, probably grey again. The 2009 movie had slightly revised versions of the original show's uniforms. They kept it for Into Darkness. Except for formal occasions, when they'd be more military-like. But changed again into blue uniforms, kinda similar to movies 2-part of 7's red uniforms. And they're all blue in Discovery. Except the doc, he's white. And the Enterprise crew - Pike, Spock, and co, are wearing uniforms more like the original show Picard - well, he's going off on his own, and Seven of Nine has become a space vigilante, uniforms seem not to matter. Those we see of Starfleet, they seem to have gone back to the Next Gen style. Lower Decks - I think they're all red in that one. Most of the comments so far have been on track. Original series (TOS) Blue = Medical and Science, Red = Engineering, communications and SECURITY, Gold = Command. Technically the yellow/gold was supposed to be Green, but the shade of green used showed as a Gold/Yellow under the studio lights, so the story goes. Also since Security was in Red and often the "landing parties" (later termed "Away Teams" in Next Generation) included a handful of Red shirted Unnamed Security dudes that would get killed. So wearing a "red" shirt become a stigma and meant bad juju. Also of note the gold triangle/chevron shaped chest patches/badges had black symbols on them: stars (or a type of jet?) for command, a sort of curling lighting bolt for engineering, a simple "plus" cross for medical, a couple of circles for science. Also different ships had different badge shapes, as well as space station crews and ambassadors. For generic "Starfleet" badges they were round or round flower shaped. The movies made with the TOS crew, before handing the movie franchise mantle to the Next Gen crew, made some changes. The first one "The Motion Picture" had a completely different concept and the uniforms had attached booties making them look like pajamas. The 2nd movie (which has been mentioned) put everyone in Red tunics with their lapels/shoulder straps in their designated section colors. Star Trek: The Next Generation (which was based nearly 100 years later than TOS 90some years if I recall) in an effort to avoid the Red Shirt dilemma put Command in Red, and put Security and Engineering in the Gold/Green and kept medical and science in blue (teal). Deep Space 9 and Voyager kept the same basic Next Generation color system since they were at the same time as Next Gen. Enterprise was based about 100 years before TOS at the "beginnings" of Starfleet or at least the start of Earth's membership in Starfleet. They were all in navy blue with their color coding in trim along the shoulders. Discovery is in all blue with gold trim. It is also based before TOS but only about 20 or so years before if I recall. But then they have made some changes to the "history" and now I understand they have time jumped a few hundred years into the future about 100 or 200 years after Next Gen. Lower Decks I thought was following Next Gen standard. I didn't think that was produced by Paramount, but was officially approved by them. I could be wrong as there have been way too many changes in the last 20 years or so. Yes, that is exactly right... The colored shirts basically represented what 'departments' the crew members were in... and it continued that way through the newer TV Series too... Though, the Red and Gold colors were swapped by the 24th century... Interestingly, there were a few episodes where KIRK wore a GREEN Shirt, which signified that he was the Ship's Captain. Oddly, Captain Picard wore a 'Jacket' every once in a while. According to the OP you're all "girly guys". What's wrong with that? Not in to femboys?
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Post by klandersen on Feb 5, 2021 14:04:21 GMT
So any male who knows a lot of background info about one of his favorite fandoms (at one time classified as being a "Geek") is a "girly guy"? (I thought it was "Girly Man" Arnold) OK good to know.
In general though anyone who has watched a lot of the Original series could have reasonably worked out the uniform color coding. The security guys who keep getting killed wear red, the doctors and nurses are in blue. Why is Spock in blue? Oh he is a nerdy science alien dude. Now the command sleeve thing takes a bit more to figure out, or someone with a working knowledge of US Naval rank insignia as the gold sleeve rings on the Trek uniforms are supposedly based on the US Navy epaulettes. For the sleeve thing I always have to look them up to figure them out.
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Post by general313 on Feb 5, 2021 16:46:49 GMT
I'm supposed to care what some pussy thinks? You cared enough to answer him, General Girly Guy. Lol.  But have respect. Drstyx is a man's man. It's a wonderful idea for a thread. Again . If I had a juvenile preoccupation or insecurity about my manliness I wouldn't have answered him. Since you seem to be so fascinated with this aspect of the thread, I would suggest that perhaps it's time for you to grow up.
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Post by general313 on Feb 5, 2021 18:44:14 GMT
Again . If I had a juvenile preoccupation or insecurity about my manliness I wouldn't have answered him. Since you seem to be so fascinated with this aspect of the thread, I would suggest that perhaps it's time for you to grow up. Dude, I'm just poking lighted-hearted fun. Don't get your girly guy panties in a twist. 
For the record, there is nothing wrong with knowing the color of Kirk's shirt. Some of us manly men have very keen eyes for detail. I just found the OP's comment amusing, and very "straight male-ish".
Ok, but prove it by tell me which color shirt you'd prefer to wear. We military men take clothing very seriously.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 6, 2021 20:24:41 GMT
Al this talk about Star Trek shirts and girlie men and no one has mentioned the MAN SKIRT???
They predicted gender fluidity!
In the Cage pilot-weren't the women wearing pants--and the expedition party-I remember the two senior bridge officers were women. Spock was lower ranking wasn't he, like fourth in command?
I hated the Star Trek 2 uniforms.
I know they were getting fat but the color sucked.
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