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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 2:29:41 GMT
I dunno, man. I think there might be enough animation fans to justify a general animation board. Not having one at all on a media discussion site is kinda weird considering how big it is as a form of media. Frozen II, for example, made around $1 billion dollars. It's not exactly niche. That still remains a non-compelling argument. I understand your desire to streamline the forum and not to have an overabundance of boards but this decision seems fairly arbitrary on your part. Also, I know you don't hate animation; you probably have some animated films you like quite a bit, in fact. Let's just get that out of the way for the peanut gallery: Not having a particular interest in something or not seeing the fuss about something is not the same as hating something and I don't claim you do. You've argued inactivity is one problem. Yet we do have many boards which aren't all that active. They are smaller communities of fans and they just pop in every once in a while on that particular topic-- sometimes over a matter weeks or months. But you do not remove those. Inactivity cannot be the sole criteria for your decision here because you are willing to let them stick around. And I do agree with that decision. They don't clutter anything up and it's not like they're hurting anything. Animation, I don't think was given a fair shake and even if the first attempt was not setting the world on fire, does that truly mean it should never have a shot again? This is yet another thread requesting an animation board of sorts so the interest clearly is there. Another problem you claim is that there is already a place for animation discussion: TV and Film. Yet, why then do we have subgenres at all if that is the case? Why is there a Horror board? Why is there a board for movies made by Marvel? Why is there a board for Star Wars? Why is there a Game of Thrones board? These could just as easily be collapsed into two boards by the logic you're using here: TV and Film. Let me reiterate, I don't want you to do that.  I think these fan bases for genres and franchises deserve their own place-- within reason. I would wager you'd argue that if you give Animation a board, then you've opened the floodgates and people are going to want this board and that board and it will be a never-ending bevy of requests. And if you've fulfilled one, what is the argument for not fulfilling all the rest? You have to draw a line somewhere, after all. Well, I will give you an argument. Animation is an absolutely huge medium and a legitimate and distinct form of art by itself. The way you create a live-action film versus the way you create an animated one is as different as night and day. It is not the same as a subgenre like comedy or horror or drama; it can be any of these things in terms of what content it presents but it is also a distinct form of cinema and art which is worth discussion and which people, especially movie goers, are interested in. It is not the same as a Saved by the Bell fan forum. It deserves special attention both for its distinction as an artform and mass popularity. I would end on saying, what's the harm then? One more forum for something as large as Animation as an artform? One small additional listing which would bother absolutely nobody? Cmon JC. Just give it to us. Or just think on it, at least. 
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2021 2:53:38 GMT
That still remains a non-compelling argument. I understand your desire to streamline the forum and not to have an overabundance of boards but this decision seems fairly arbitrary on your part. Also, I know you don't hate animation; you probably have some animated films you like quite a bit, in fact. Let's just get that out of the way for the peanut gallery: Not having a particular interest in something or not seeing the fuss about something is not the same as hating something and I don't claim you do. You've argue inactivity is one problem. Yet we do have many boards which aren't all that active. They are smaller communities of fans and they just pop in every once in a while on that particular topic-- sometimes over a matter weeks or months. But you do not remove those. Inactivity cannot be the sole criteria for your decision here because you are willing to let them stick around. And I do agree with that decision. They don't clutter anything up and it's not like they're hurting anything. Animation, I don't think was given a fair shake and even if the first attempt was not setting the world on fire, does that truly mean it should never have a shot again? This is yet another thread requesting an animation board of sorts so the interest clearly is there. Another problem you claim is that there is already a place for animation discussion: TV and Film. Yet, why then do we have subgenres at all if that is the case? Why is there a Horror board? Why is there a board for movies made by Marvel? Why is there a board for Star Wars? Why is there a Game of Thrones board? These could just as easily be collapsed into two boards by the logic you're using here: TV and Film. Let me reiterate, I don't want you to do that. I think these fan bases for genres and franchises deserve their own place-- within reason. I would wager you'd argue that if you give Animation a board, then you've opened the floodgates and people are going to want this board and that board and it will be a never ending bevy of requests. And if you fulfilled one, what is the argument for not fulfilling all the rest? You have to draw a line somewhere, after all. Well, I will give you an argument. Animation is an absolutely huge medium and a legitimate and distinct form of art by itself. The way you create a live-action film versus the way you create an animated one is as different as night and day. It is not the same as a subgenre like comedy or horror or drama; it can be any of these things in terms of what content it presents but it is also a distinct form of cinema and art which is worth discussion and which people, especially movie goers, are interested in. It is not the same as a Saved by the Bell fan forum. It deserves special attention both for its distinction as an artform and mass popularity. I would end on saying, what's the harm then? One more forum for something as large as Animation as an artform? One small additional listing which would bother absolutely nobody? Let me know when the last post on any board is more than several months old, and if there aren't but a relative handful of posts in it anyway, I'll be happy to give it the axe. In the meantime, I'll continue waffling about the boards that would be dead if it weren't for the ones just posting once in a blue moon merely to keep it alive. I already did. How about a link instead: www.filmboards.com/board/52/I wish the one here would have been as active...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 2:54:53 GMT
That still remains a non-compelling argument. I understand your desire to streamline the forum and not to have an overabundance of boards but this decision seems fairly arbitrary on your part. Also, I know you don't hate animation; you probably have some animated films you like quite a bit, in fact. Let's just get that out of the way for the peanut gallery: Not having a particular interest in something or not seeing the fuss about something is not the same as hating something and I don't claim you do. You've argue inactivity is one problem. Yet we do have many boards which aren't all that active. They are smaller communities of fans and they just pop in every once in a while on that particular topic-- sometimes over a matter weeks or months. But you do not remove those. Inactivity cannot be the sole criteria for your decision here because you are willing to let them stick around. And I do agree with that decision. They don't clutter anything up and it's not like they're hurting anything. Animation, I don't think was given a fair shake and even if the first attempt was not setting the world on fire, does that truly mean it should never have a shot again? This is yet another thread requesting an animation board of sorts so the interest clearly is there. Another problem you claim is that there is already a place for animation discussion: TV and Film. Yet, why then do we have subgenres at all if that is the case? Why is there a Horror board? Why is there a board for movies made by Marvel? Why is there a board for Star Wars? Why is there a Game of Thrones board? These could just as easily be collapsed into two boards by the logic you're using here: TV and Film. Let me reiterate, I don't want you to do that. I think these fan bases for genres and franchises deserve their own place-- within reason. I would wager you'd argue that if you give Animation a board, then you've opened the floodgates and people are going to want this board and that board and it will be a never ending bevy of requests. And if you fulfilled one, what is the argument for not fulfilling all the rest? You have to draw a line somewhere, after all. Well, I will give you an argument. Animation is an absolutely huge medium and a legitimate and distinct form of art by itself. The way you create a live-action film versus the way you create an animated one is as different as night and day. It is not the same as a subgenre like comedy or horror or drama; it can be any of these things in terms of what content it presents but it is also a distinct form of cinema and art which is worth discussion and which people, especially movie goers, are interested in. It is not the same as a Saved by the Bell fan forum. It deserves special attention both for its distinction as an artform and mass popularity. I would end on saying, what's the harm then? One more forum for something as large as Animation as an artform? One small additional listing which would bother absolutely nobody? Let me know when the last post on any board is more than several months old, and if there aren't but a relative handful of posts in it anyway, I'll be happy to give it the axe. In the meantime, I'll continue waffling about the boards that would be dead if it weren't for the ones just posting once in a blue moon merely to keep it alive. I already did. How about a link instead: www.filmboards.com/board/52/I wish the one here would have been as active... Then I have a proposal. Put it to a forum wide vote. It will be an exciting onetime, fun-time event. You make your argument for not having it and I make the argument for having it.
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2021 2:59:19 GMT
Let me know when the last post on any board is more than several months old, and if there aren't but a relative handful of posts in it anyway, I'll be happy to give it the axe. In the meantime, I'll continue waffling about the boards that would be dead if it weren't for the ones just posting once in a blue moon merely to keep it alive. I already did. How about a link instead: www.filmboards.com/board/52/I wish the one here would have been as active... Then I have a proposal. Put it to a forum wide vote. It will be an exciting onetime, fun-time event. You make your argument for not having it and I make the argument for having it. Don't you know that when you let one kid go to the bathroom, the whole class wants to go? What would I tell the silent film fans? The genre boards had to go, man. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 3:01:02 GMT
Then I have a proposal. Put it to a forum wide vote. It will be an exciting onetime, fun-time event. You make your argument for not having it and I make the argument for having it. Don't you know that when you let one kid go to the bathroom, the whole class wants to go? What would I tell the silent film fans? I get that but I think I gave you a pretty solid argument to take up with them. We're not talking a small subgenre or an era of filmmaking here, man; we're talking a distinct and huge artform. Animation was around since the silent films. It is a multi-billion dollar industry today.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Feb 12, 2021 3:10:48 GMT
I have a filmboards account too! I also have a moviechat account. Their Animation boards are quite fascinating, imagine what one could be like here now!
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2021 3:17:19 GMT
Don't you know that when you let one kid go to the bathroom, the whole class wants to go? What would I tell the silent film fans? I get that but I think I gave you a pretty solid argument to take up with them. We're not talking a small subgenre or an era of filmmaking here, man; we're talking a distinct and huge artform. Animation was around since the silent films. It is a multi-billion dollar industry today. So is rock and roll, but the music genres got axed as well. Surely that was because I don't think highly of music. People flock to the politics board with all their non-political threads and posts merely because it's the most active board here. And then some of you get all bent when I move a thread from politics into a more appropriate board. Seems to me you would be more in favor of one single board for everything than multiple boards for single things. Of course this is extreme, but if we're going to draw a line, we should draw it closer to the former than the latter. I don't know if you noticed, but there currently aren't many boards here that are that specific. It's nothing personal against anime. It's just not practical.
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2021 3:18:43 GMT
I have a filmboards account too! I also have a moviechat account. Their Animation boards are quite fascinating, imagine what one could be like here now! Like it could be over there?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 3:29:52 GMT
I get that but I think I gave you a pretty solid argument to take up with them. We're not talking a small subgenre or an era of filmmaking here, man; we're talking a distinct and huge artform. Animation was around since the silent films. It is a multi-billion dollar industry today. So is rock and roll, but the music genres got axed as well. Surely that was because I don't think highly of music. People flock to the politics board with all their non-political threads and posts merely because it's the most active board here. And then some of you get all bent when I move a thread from politics into a more appropriate board. Seems to me you would be more in favor of one single board for everything than multiple boards for single things. Of course this is extreme, but if we're going to draw a line, we should draw it closer to the former than the latter. I don't know if you noticed, but there currently aren't many boards here that are that specific. It's nothing personal against anime. It's just not practical. How is it not "practical"? I know how simple it would be for you to add another board so it's not a matter of technical impracticality. Is it because you think people would want you to follow their rules and their wants rather than your own since you granted a single, reasonable request? That they'd judge you if you didn't grant theirs? Who gives a shit? You've made it clear on multiple occasions that rules are not inflexible and that there is always room for exception. You've granted exceptions. And you strongly stand by that when criticized and stick to your guns yet this request, which I believe will receive zero criticism from anybody, you balk at because you don't want some imagined criticism? Nobody is going to do that aside from the worst of shit-stirrers who will criticize you no matter what you do. That is what I'm arguing here. I'm arguing for an exception. I don't understand your rationale in this context. I do not see the harm to add one more board for a massive cinematic artform. I think it deserves a place. I've laid out my arguments for that board and they stand on their own merit. How you think people are going to react does not undercut those arguments' strength. You will do as you wish. Nobody can take that from you. But I think I've made a strong case for anybody to see and when it comes up again, I will make that argument again. That is not a challenge or a slight; I simply will state what I believe and you will do the same.
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2021 3:32:33 GMT
Is it because you think people would want you to follow their rules and their wants rather than your own since you granted a single, reasonable request? That they'd judge you if you didn't grant theirs? Since you insist on making this personal, I'm going to insist on ignoring you. I didn't really feel like repeating myself again anyway. Thanks for the chat.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 3:33:10 GMT
Is it because you think people would want you to follow their rules and their wants rather than your own since you granted a single, reasonable request? That they'd judge you if you didn't grant theirs? Since you insist on making this personal, I'm going to insist on ignoring you. I didn't really feel like repeating myself again anyway. Thanks for the chat. Personal? This is your argument, dude. What else am I supposed to argue against? You've made it a matter of your personal feelings. I wish you would understand that this isn't an attack on you as a person. This is an argument about your rationale in this instance.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Feb 12, 2021 3:37:12 GMT
I have a filmboards account too! I also have a moviechat account. Their Animation boards are quite fascinating, imagine what one could be like here now! Like it could be over there? Yes, but even better!
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2021 3:56:56 GMT
Since you insist on making this personal, I'm going to insist on ignoring you. I didn't really feel like repeating myself again anyway. Thanks for the chat. Personal? This is your argument, dude. What else am I supposed to argue against? You've made it a matter of your personal feelings. No, Bart, you made it a matter of my personal feelings in the second sentence of your first post in this thread. Granted, you did acknowledge the practicality, but even that was peppered with the same. I ignored it then like I should have ignored it today.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 3:58:16 GMT
Personal? This is your argument, dude. What else am I supposed to argue against? You've made it a matter of your personal feelings. No, Bart, you made it a matter of my personal feelings in the second sentence of your first post in this thread. Granted, you did acknowledge the practicality, but even that was peppered with the same. I ignored it then like I should have ignored it today.  You're right. And I'm sorry about that. I shouldn't have presumed your opinion even if it was phrased as my opinion. I don't know what lies in your heart. That was my bad.
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2021 4:09:02 GMT
No, Bart, you made it a matter of my personal feelings in the second sentence of your first post in this thread. Granted, you did acknowledge the practicality, but even that was peppered with the same. I ignored it then like I should have ignored it today. You're right. And I'm sorry about that. I shouldn't have presumed your opinion even if it was phrased as my opinion. I don't know what lies in your heart. That was my bad. All good bro. As I said, it's nothing personal. 
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 4:11:04 GMT
You're right. And I'm sorry about that. I shouldn't have presumed your opinion even if it was phrased as my opinion. I don't know what lies in your heart. That was my bad. All good bro. As I said, it's nothing personal. In any event, that shit aside, I would ask that you consider this one a bit. It doesn't seem particularly unreasonable to have an animation board.
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2021 4:47:32 GMT
All good bro. As I said, it's nothing personal. In any event, that shit aside, I would ask that you consider this one a bit. It doesn't seem particularly unreasonable to have an animation board. I considered it for over two years. Nobody fed it. As I've said before, I didn't kill it - I just disposed of its corpse. I deleted no threads, though. They're all still here somewhere. Don't you find it interesting that the reason a lot of people go to Politics to post their off-topic threads is because it's the most active board here, but it's the most active board here because a lot people go there to post their off-topic threads?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 5:14:03 GMT
In any event, that shit aside, I would ask that you consider this one a bit. It doesn't seem particularly unreasonable to have an animation board. I considered it for over two years. Nobody fed it. As I've said before, I didn't kill it - I just disposed of its corpse. I deleted no threads, though. They're all still here somewhere. Don't you find it interesting that the reason a lot of people go to Politics to post their off-topic threads is because it's the most active board here, but it's the most active board here because a lot people go there to post their off-topic threads? I'd disagree with that take on Politics. That's not why the Politics board is the most active board here. It's the most active board because it came with the largest and most dedicated initial base of any of the IMDb boards to transfer over here. Most of the people there have been around for over a decade and some much longer. It's also a forum that is constantly externally fed considering the medium. Politics are never-ending. There is always going to be some current event that comes along which feeds the flames of debate and outright fighting. A series like GoT eventually ends so it either becomes the same topics over and over again or they all become off-topic. You can only debate whether God exists so many times before you're just repeating yourself. Politics does not have that problem because there is always something going on which can be politicized; not month by month but day by day and sometimes minute by minute. It's also extremely cliquey, so more often than not, the off-topic threads are an internal part of that community rather than something external being fed in. If you are an outsider, you will have a hard time getting a foothold over there because you have to be politically savvy enough to know what topics are going to be contentious and you have to have people who know enough about you to like or hate you in order to get responses which lead to further responses to those responses. In the case of off-topic threads, you have to understand the interests of the people already there for them to stick. They could probably tell you more about each other than they could some of their own relatives. It is that hardened of a userbase and with that comes insider and outsider dynamics. They're not coming from outsiders barging in for the vast majority of them; they're from insiders bringing something up among that userbase that isn't politically charged. --- Back to the topic of an animation board. I still do not believe that just because it didn't get fed once that it will never get fed. I think it is a board worth having even if it does get slow. All boards get slow from time to time. If there is even one good post there, I would consider it justified. I do not think it would take up much visual space, I think you could easily excuse making an exception for it without opening the floodgates, I think it is a hugely popular medium on a board about mediums, and I think it would make at least a couple of people happy. I think I've laid out most of my case there.
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2021 6:23:20 GMT
I considered it for over two years. Nobody fed it. As I've said before, I didn't kill it - I just disposed of its corpse. I deleted no threads, though. They're all still here somewhere. Don't you find it interesting that the reason a lot of people go to Politics to post their off-topic threads is because it's the most active board here, but it's the most active board here because a lot people go there to post their off-topic threads? I'd disagree with that take on Politics. That's not why the Politics board is the most active board here. It's the most active board because it came with the largest and most dedicated initial base of any of the IMDb boards to transfer over here. Most of the people there have been around for over a decade and some much longer. It's also a forum that is constantly externally fed considering the medium. Politics are never-ending. There is always going to be some current event that comes along which feeds the flames of debate and outright fighting. A series like GoT eventually ends so it either becomes the same topics over and over again or they all become off-topic. You can only debate whether God exists that many times before you're just repeating yourself. Politics does not have that problem because there is always something going on which can be politicized; not month by month but day by day and sometimes minute by minute. It's also extremely cliquey, so more often than not, the off-topic threads are an internal part of that community rather than something external being fed in. If you are an outsider, you will have a hard time getting a foothold over there because you have to be politically savvy enough to know what topics are going to be contentious and you have to have people who know enough about you to like or hate you in order to get responses which lead to further responses to those responses. In the case of being off-topic, you have to understand the interests of the people already there for them to stick. They could probably tell you more about each other than they could some of their own relatives. It is that hardened of a userbase and with that comes insider and outsider dynamics. Back to the topic of an animation board. I still do not believe that just because it didn't get fed once that it will never get fed. I think it is a board worth having even if it does get slow. All boards get slow from time to time. If there is even one good post there, I would consider it justified. I do not think it would take up much space, I think you could easily excuse making an exception for it without opening the floodgates, I think it is a hugely popular medium on a board about mediums, and I think it would make at least a couple of people happy. I think I've laid out most of my case there. That insider/outsider dynamic contributes quite a bit to the lack of activity in some of the other boards, especially given its initial population. And how does that clique mentality/behavior square with those who complain about the lack of fresh meat? I never left the topic of an animation board. The Politics board is a great example of why we don't need more boards here, much less specific genres. People don't go where the topics are, they go where the people are. I didn't bring up the music board just to further dispel your accusations of bias, but also because it, too, used to be sliced up into genres. I'm sure you remember how active they were. So I consolidated them all into Music General and the world still turned. Ditto for the Genre Zone, but I wasn't going to make a "Genre General" board, haha. Much like Science Fiction, Comedy, and War Films, Animation is covered by TV and Film General. The exception was the Horror board because it was its own cliquey community just like Politics, but not at all like Animation.
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