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Post by lenlenlen1 on Feb 16, 2021 18:41:31 GMT
P.S. What they call cancel culture I call being a decent human being who don't talk shit about other people just because they're different than us. Its called tolerance. Maybe Gina and Daily Wire should try it. What they call "cancel culture" was invented, activated and weaponized by right-wing conservatives. Just ask the Dixie Chicks (2003). Just ask Colin Kaepernick. I seem to remember that "cancel culture" started with the right too. But I will admit that lately its coming from the left a whole lot more. But in all fairness, who's going to cancel someone that says something in defense of someone? That would just be stupid. If I say "Black Lives Matter" that's me coming out in defense of people that have been marginalized. Whereas if I say "Jews Suck" that's me coming out racially against a whole culture of people. If you don't see the difference there... I cant help you.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Feb 16, 2021 18:53:41 GMT
If I say "Black Lives Matter" that's me coming out in defense of people that have been marginalized. Whereas if I say "Jews Suck" that's me coming out racially against a whole culture of people. If you don't see the difference there... I cant help you. I see the difference but fail to see how it applies to this scenario. Carano said nothing like that.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Feb 16, 2021 18:57:23 GMT
And to be fair, Kapernick did his protests while in a game, while officially representing his team. Carano did her protests on her own personal medium in her own personal time. My company's social media policy states that those who elevate after a certain point in the company no longer have "personal" social media account. You are too linked with the company to have that luxury with that level of visibility. I think the rule could apply to actors and actresses. That said, it would also have to be enforced uniformly and fairly.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Feb 16, 2021 20:26:18 GMT
If I say "Black Lives Matter" that's me coming out in defense of people that have been marginalized. Whereas if I say "Jews Suck" that's me coming out racially against a whole culture of people. If you don't see the difference there... I cant help you. I see the difference but fail to see how it applies to this scenario. Carano said nothing like that. That was just an example. I will allow for the chance that Gina was completely misunderstood. But when given the chance she didn't clarify, she didn't step back, she didn't explain. Instead she doubled down and cried victim. But more to my point is this: practice self preservation. If you work for jews don't post shit about jews. Duh. In this matter she has been her own worst enemy. She was most likely going to get her own spin off, or at the very least continue to have a cool high visibility job which she could have parlayed into more cool high visibility jobs. ...now she back to straight to video movies... AND she looks like a jerk. oh well.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Feb 16, 2021 20:28:45 GMT
I will allow for the chance that Gina was completely misunderstood. But when given the chance she didn't clarify, she didn't step back, she did explain. Instead she doubled down and cried victim. Only a complete obtuse moron would misunderstand the intent of her post. Expecting her to explain it is like expecting someone to explain what a horseshoe is....
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Feb 16, 2021 20:45:05 GMT
I will allow for the chance that Gina was completely misunderstood. But when given the chance she didn't clarify, she didn't step back, she didn't explain. Instead she doubled down and cried victim. Only a complete obtuse moron would misunderstand the intent of her post. Expecting her to explain it is like expecting someone to explain what a horseshoe is.... nypost.com/2021/02/11/see-gina-caranos-tweets-and-posts-that-got-her-fired/...is one place that shows what she posted. Some of that is down right reprehensible. Its not a matter of having a difference of opinions. “ Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…. even by children,” is actually INCORRECT. Those neighbors that were doing the beating WERE THE NAZI'S! And the analogy she's trying to draw is effing ridiculous (that conservatives in this country are the Jews of our time). “ I want people to know you can take hate with a smile. So BOOP you for misunderstanding,” she posted with a smiley emoji; which is a dick move. Or should I say a BOOP move? If you don't see that then maybe you're the complete obtuse moron.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Feb 16, 2021 20:52:32 GMT
“ Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…. even by children,” is actually INCORRECT. Those neighbors that were doing the beating WERE THE NAZI'S! And the analogy she's trying to draw is effing ridiculous (that conservatives in this country are the Jews of our time). At the worst, it's a bad analogy. The obvious intent is a call for unity and not to repeat mistakes of the past. To equate a bad analogy with intentionally hurtful rhetoric is being intentionally intellectually dishonest.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Feb 16, 2021 20:58:22 GMT
“ Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…. even by children,” is actually INCORRECT. Those neighbors that were doing the beating WERE THE NAZI'S! And the analogy she's trying to draw is effing ridiculous (that conservatives in this country are the Jews of our time). At the worst, it's a bad analogy. The obvious intent is a call for unity and not to repeat mistakes of the past. To equate a bad analogy with intentionally hurtful rhetoric is being intentionally intellectually dishonest. I might agree if that were the only thing that she posted that skewed far right extremist. But its not. All put together I don't wonder if there aren't some more extremist leanings that we don't know about. We all of us need to come back to the middle and communicate.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Feb 16, 2021 21:04:50 GMT
We all of us need to come back to the middle and communicate. That was pretty much her point.
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Post by dazz on Feb 17, 2021 0:15:32 GMT
We all of us need to come back to the middle and communicate. That was pretty much her point. Or not, that's the thing as an isolated post it is easy to infer that, but from her prior posting habits it is as easy to see it as another attempt for Carano to paint those who she disagrees with as the aggressors and herself and others the victims, you choose to see it in a vacuum others choose to see it as part of a pattern, this is where she did in fact need to make a clarifying statement, had she done so people can choose to believe her on her initial intention or not but the final message on this she would be putting out would be a clear and unquestionable call for unity. Either side seem to think they know her intentions behind that post, truth is none of us do, she could have intended both, it to be a call for unity but one she knew would stir the ire of those on the opposite side of the political spectrum as her, not like Carano has been above trying to antagonise in the past after all.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Feb 17, 2021 0:31:52 GMT
I already responded, but I'll repeat myself anyways. If one can put the politics aside, Gina Carano did nothing wrong and, besides that, nobody should lost their jobs over social media posts. I don't know why that stance is controversial.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Feb 17, 2021 0:45:27 GMT
you choose to see it in a vacuum others choose to see it as part of a pattern No. I'm fully aware of the whole scenario. The whole thing started when she was called transphobic for not having gender pronouns in her profile. That's not transphobic. Do I think she made bad choices in how she dealt with things? Absolutely. But, the three main things she's accused of, she never did. - She never posted anything transphobic. - She never advocated for people not to wear masks - She never posted anything anti-Semitic So, when you're being accused of things like this by a mob, it's not hard to see why she'd consider herself a victim. Now, personally, I think she only made things worse by responding. But that's just me. In any case, the fact that she found out online like all of us is complete bullshit.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 17, 2021 2:27:06 GMT
That was pretty much her point. Or not, that's the thing as an isolated post it is easy to infer that, but from her prior posting habits it is as easy to see it as another attempt for Carano to paint those who she disagrees with as the aggressors and herself and others the victims, True, but then majority of celebrities pull this schtick as well. Carano isn't the only one who does this... but I don't see other celebrities getting fired from their jobs. A number of celebrities are far more vocal about their political leanings than Carano.
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Post by dazz on Feb 17, 2021 6:14:43 GMT
Or not, that's the thing as an isolated post it is easy to infer that, but from her prior posting habits it is as easy to see it as another attempt for Carano to paint those who she disagrees with as the aggressors and herself and others the victims, True, but then majority of celebrities pull this schtick as well. Carano isn't the only one who does this... but I don't see other celebrities getting fired from their jobs. A number of celebrities are far more vocal about their political leanings than Carano. Oh absolutely, I am not saying this is unique to her, but to act like she doesn't do this imo is ignorant, the fact other gobby celebs on either side of the political spectrum do this same stuff doesn't alter what she does, I think they should all just stfu but thats just me.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 17, 2021 7:39:48 GMT
True, but then majority of celebrities pull this schtick as well. Carano isn't the only one who does this... but I don't see other celebrities getting fired from their jobs. A number of celebrities are far more vocal about their political leanings than Carano. Oh absolutely, I am not saying this is unique to her, but to act like she doesn't do this imo is ignorant, the fact other gobby celebs on either side of the political spectrum do this same stuff doesn't alter what she does, I think they should all just stfu but thats just me. That really depends on how you interpret what it is she "does", because what she posted was very mild compared to what other celebrities post. Can we accuse her of voicing her political leanings? Yes, absolutely. Can we accuse her of maybe using bad analogy in her posts? Sure. Can we all agree that celebrities should really just stay away from politics? Abso-damn-lutely. But some others here (like Lenlen) is accusing her of making far right extremist posts. That is completely false. Right leaning posts - yes. Far right? Extremist? Definitely not.
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Post by dazz on Feb 17, 2021 16:56:14 GMT
Oh absolutely, I am not saying this is unique to her, but to act like she doesn't do this imo is ignorant, the fact other gobby celebs on either side of the political spectrum do this same stuff doesn't alter what she does, I think they should all just stfu but thats just me. That really depends on how you interpret what it is she "does", because what she posted was very mild compared to what other celebrities post. Can we accuse her of voicing her political leanings? Yes, absolutely. Can we accuse her of maybe using bad analogy in her posts? Sure. Can we all agree that celebrities should really just stay away from politics? Abso-damn-lutely. But some others here (like Lenlen) is accusing her of making far right extremist posts. That is completely false. Right leaning posts - yes. Far right? Extremist? Definitely not. I agree but then you also have the otherside like Jan acting like to imply she was trying to say anything other than a call for unity is dumb, despite the fact she's not really atleast that I know of espoused such sentiments in the past is just as false, and is the problem with people these days imo, far too extreme either people are angels or demons, and thats just not the case, nor is just responding to instances of them behaving in the far right or far left instances a thing to do either, I said before no single thing Carano has said or done imo was worthy of being fired, released, turned away not renewed, you know however you want to phrase it, but repeated smaller acts build up, like in any job you know? why should this be any different?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Feb 17, 2021 17:04:11 GMT
We all of us need to come back to the middle and communicate. That was pretty much her point. Maybe. I don't know what her intention was. But whatever that case, she went about the wrong way. And she made some really poor analogies.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 17, 2021 18:28:32 GMT
That really depends on how you interpret what it is she "does", because what she posted was very mild compared to what other celebrities post. Can we accuse her of voicing her political leanings? Yes, absolutely. Can we accuse her of maybe using bad analogy in her posts? Sure. Can we all agree that celebrities should really just stay away from politics? Abso-damn-lutely. But some others here (like Lenlen) is accusing her of making far right extremist posts. That is completely false. Right leaning posts - yes. Far right? Extremist? Definitely not. I agree but then you also have the otherside like Jan acting like to imply she was trying to say anything other than a call for unity is dumb, despite the fact she's not really atleast that I know of espoused such sentiments in the past is just as false, and is the problem with people these days imo, far too extreme either people are angels or demons, and thats just not the case, nor is just responding to instances of them behaving in the far right or far left instances a thing to do either, I said before no single thing Carano has said or done imo was worthy of being fired, released, turned away not renewed, you know however you want to phrase it, but repeated smaller acts build up, like in any job you know? why should this be any different? Technically speaking, Jan is more correct in this instance than Lenlen. Especially if we only take into consideration her latest post, yes there's exaggerations on both sides but it is much closer to being a call for unity than it is being a far right extremist post. Personally, I never considered it a call for unity but rather a somewhat self-pitying and somewhat backhanded call for more understanding and less aggression against people who hold different political opinions as you. Now if we consider the rest of her posts, yes, then we can no longer say that she's merely calling for unity as it's quite clear that she's pretty right-leaning. But then, still not extreme right. As for repeated smaller acts, no she should still not get fired for those acts no matter how numerous unless they are SPECIFICALLY not allowed in her job. And just to clarify, I'm talking about acts where your job specifically tells you you can't do them even outside your job, on your own personal time. Because if we start comparing this to every other job, well most regular jobs don't normally fire you for what you do in your personal time outside of the office unless you're either 1. doing something illegal or 2. Misusing company data or equipment. I personally have multiple friends who are very active on FB and Twitter where they post their very left-leaning political opinions and they've never gotten into trouble with work about it. We also know multiple celebrities who've made multiple very left-leaning posts without ever getting in trouble with their jobs. So why are we trying to justify Carano getting fired just because she made multiple political posts? Is it because we're assuming that actors should not be making clearly political posts due to their celebrity status and how they represent their studios/franchises? Because if that's the case then should we also advocate for the firing of any celebrity who makes more than 3-4 political posts on their social media? Or are we simply applying a double-standard on Carano because her posts are right-leaning? And just to clarify, I don't agree with all of Carano's posts (specifically her posts against masks and voting fraud) but I'm always against a celebrity getting cancelled via social pressure unless there's a very good reason for it.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Feb 17, 2021 18:41:55 GMT
don't agree with all of Carano's posts (s pecifically her posts against masks and voting fraud) but I'm always against a celebrity getting cancelled via social pressure unless there's a very good reason for it. Even then, at the most, her posts have lamented the idea we're in a situation where wearing a mask is necessary. I've never seen one post where she actually advocated for people not to wear masks. Even with the election crap, I only saw posts where she endorsed the idea that fraud allegations should be investigated. I never saw her go full blown saying that the election was rigged.
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