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Post by ck100 on Feb 19, 2021 3:45:25 GMT
This is a quote from Star Trek screenwriter and TV producer Ronald D. Moore and it does say a lot about the problem with having Star Trek on the big screen:
"Trek is, in some ways, an uncomfortable fit to the big screen I’ve kind of come to feel, even though I did two of them. I thought First Contact was a really good film, Generations not so much. And Wrath of Khan is an outstanding film. The Voyage Home works really well, and so on. It’s not that they’re not good movies, but it feels like the movies have to be spectacle. The movies have to be gigantic, action-adventure, lots of shooting, lots of things at stake – except for Voyage Home. And that’s not really Star Trek to me.
To me, Trek is a morality play. It’s a show about ethical dilemmas. It’s a science fiction show about “What if?” And it’s a character piece. The best parts of Trek don’t necessarily lend themselves towards the big screen. For instance, you couldn’t do “Data’s Day” as a movie, right? It was one of my favorite episodes. “The Conscience of the King” from The Original Series is one of my favorite episodes. That’s not a movie. So, the movie version always has to be hyped up and overdamped and they’re big giant roller coasters. And I don’t know that the roller coaster aspect is what attracts me to Star Trek the most.
So, if they asked me what to do with the movies, I don’t know. I’d want to reboot and start over and do something very different. And try a different flavor of Star Trek for the big screen. And not just make ‘Who’s going to be the “Khan” in this version? What’s the big, giant weapon that’s going to threaten the universe? Or anything like that. I think you’d have to find some sci-fi angle that made it more about: what are the roots of Trek? Why did people come to fall in love with it in the first place? And that’s a tall order."
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 19, 2021 4:51:05 GMT
That's one of the reasons I like The Voyage Home - it just feels like a silly standalone episode. But despite its popularity, they've been afraid to make that kinda movie since.
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Post by kolchak92 on Feb 19, 2021 5:00:17 GMT
That's one of the reasons I like The Voyage Home - it just feels like a silly standalone episode. But despite its popularity, they've been afraid to make that kinda movie since. Well they tried to do a similar sort of thing with Insurrection, but it didn't work out too well.
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Post by ant-mac on Feb 19, 2021 5:08:02 GMT
That's one of the reasons I like The Voyage Home - it just feels like a silly standalone episode. But despite its popularity, they've been afraid to make that kinda movie since. Well they tried to do a similar sort of thing with Insurrection, but it didn't work out too well. I've never understood the lack of love for that film. It's one of my favourites of the STAR TREK franchise.
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Post by robocop1982 on Feb 19, 2021 9:55:55 GMT
Wraith of Khan was the best one and most satisying movie of them all
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Feb 19, 2021 10:08:06 GMT
I think if we're talking about the Next Generation era Star Trek, then Moore is correct. The franchise was born and thrived most on the small screen. The original crew had a great series of movies that matched and in ways surpassed the 1960s TV show though.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Feb 19, 2021 10:09:40 GMT
Well they tried to do a similar sort of thing with Insurrection, but it didn't work out too well. I've never understood the lack of love for that film. It's one of my favourites of the STAR TREK franchise. For me anyway it comes down to the fact that I was expecting something more epic - something more in the mould of First Contact. Insurrection would have worked well on the small screen, but it didn't feel very cinematic. Me saying that pretty much backs up Moore's statement.
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Post by ant-mac on Feb 19, 2021 10:17:53 GMT
I've never understood the lack of love for that film. It's one of my favourites of the STAR TREK franchise. For me anyway it comes down to the fact that I was expecting something more epic - something more in the mould of First Contact. Insurrection would have worked well on the small screen, but it didn't feel very cinematic. Me saying that pretty much backs up Moore's statement. It certainly would've made a very impressive two part story on the TV series, but I still enjoyed it regardless, which pretty much backs up my statement in my earlier post. 
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Feb 19, 2021 10:23:11 GMT
For me anyway it comes down to the fact that I was expecting something more epic - something more in the mould of First Contact. Insurrection would have worked well on the small screen, but it didn't feel very cinematic. Me saying that pretty much backs up Moore's statement. It certainly would've made a very impressive two part story on the TV series, but I still enjoyed it regardless, which pretty much backs up my statement in my earlier post. Yeah. It would have made for an exemplary TNG episode. By Season 7 the show felt like it was running low on fresh ideas. The Insurrection storyline could have been extended in a multi-episode arc.
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Post by ant-mac on Feb 19, 2021 10:33:10 GMT
It certainly would've made a very impressive two part story on the TV series, but I still enjoyed it regardless, which pretty much backs up my statement in my earlier post. Yeah. It would have made for an exemplary TNG episode. By Season 7 the show like it was running low on fresh ideas. The Insurrection storyline could have been extended in a multi-episode arc. In general, I enjoyed season 7, but the storyline from the film - and its potential aftermath - could've been spun out over more than just two episodes. However, as far as the film goes, it had action, adventure, drama, romance, humour and a decent moral dilemma... everything I expect from a good STAR TREK story, whether it's on the big or small screen. And I thought it was epic enough, just the way it was. After all, STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE, STAR TREK V: THE FINAL FRONTIER, STAR TREK GENERATIONS and STAR TREK: NEMESIS were set against more epic backdrops, but that doesn't mean they were better films. I thought STAR TREK: INSURRECTION got the balance just right. Each to their own. 
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Feb 19, 2021 14:59:38 GMT
Always found Star Trek to be childish crap.
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Post by kolchak92 on Feb 19, 2021 15:04:11 GMT
Always found Star Trek to be childish crap. No one cares.
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Feb 19, 2021 15:07:54 GMT
Always found Star Trek to be childish crap. No one cares. You cared enough to reply. |
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Post by ck100 on Feb 19, 2021 15:39:43 GMT
The Chris Pine Trek movies definitely suffer from what Moore is talking about. They're more Star Trek in name. J.J. Abrams also deserves blame since he has admitted he never watched the show prior to making his two films. Also, Abrams, and writers Orci and Kurtzman, deliberately wanted to make Star Trek be more like Star Wars and be as audience-appealing as possible.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 19, 2021 15:46:13 GMT
I think you can balance out the morality play with “roller coaster” spectacle. The worst installments were Insurrection and Nemesis.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 19, 2021 15:51:35 GMT
That's one of the reasons I like The Voyage Home - it just feels like a silly standalone episode. But despite its popularity, they've been afraid to make that kinda movie since. That's the reason I've always been a big fan of Generations. It isn't the most action packed story, but its essence is classic Trek.
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Post by Downey on Feb 19, 2021 16:01:16 GMT
Always found Star Trek to be childish crap. Always found karate kid and Cobra Kai to be childish crap. |
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Post by Downey on Feb 19, 2021 16:04:55 GMT
Having a franchise about crazy spaceships and aliens doesn't really lend itself to watered down storylines that aren't spectacle full. You can't really fit community centre work into a star trek film.
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Post by ck100 on Feb 19, 2021 16:06:43 GMT
Paramount doesn't want to make a Trek film about morals, ethics, philosophy, social commentary, character-emphasis, space exploration, etc. because of the concern over making another "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" and/or "Star Trek: The Final Frontier". Two films that more fit the Trek mold in spirit compared to modern Trek films, but are generally hated by audiences. So it's clear that Trek is being "dumbed down" to be as audience-appealing as possible. This Chris Pine Trek quote is also telling: "You can’t make a cerebral Star Trek in 2016. It just wouldn’t work in today’s marketplace. You can hide things in there – Star Trek Into Darkness has crazy, really demanding questions and themes, but you have to hide it under the guise of wham-bam explosions and planets blowing up. It’s very, very tricky. The question that our movie poses is “Does the Federation mean anything?” And in a world where everybody’s trying to kill one another all of the time, that’s an important thing. Is working together important? Should we all go our separate ways? Does being united against something mean anything?" www.cbr.com/chris-pine-says-star-trek-cant-be-cerebral-in-2016/ |
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Feb 19, 2021 16:16:28 GMT
Always found Star Trek to be childish crap. Always found karate kid and Cobra Kai to be childish crap. 
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