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Post by Skaathar on Mar 6, 2021 3:47:59 GMT
The last episode was beautifully done with quite a lot more heart than I was suspecting... but I have to admit I'm quite disappointed that a number of the more interesting angles of the story turned out to be nothing but Red Herrings.
Quicksilver was disappointing. The villain was disappointing. The lack of a bigger villain was disappointing. The resolution with the second Vision was disappointing. The reason for the creation of the hex was disappointing. The way Wayward was handled was disappointing. Darcy was barely used. There was no big cameo like we were led to believe. Monica Rambeu's fight scenes were disappointing. In fact most of the fight scenes were just so-so.
The main redeeming quality of this finale was that it had a lot of heart. Well, that and the fact that Wanda finally got a proper Scarlet Witch costume.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Mar 6, 2021 18:21:24 GMT
I don't think Wanda will be a villain either, but FEW? Black Widow Scarlet Witch
Captain Marvel Gamora Sif Valkyrie The Wasp MS. Marvel She-Hulk Nebula Mantis Agent Carter Jane Foster (Lady Thor) Pepper Potts (Rescue) Shuri Okoye Photon Kate Bishop Sue Storm At least 3 Eternals
That's not even counting AOS, Cloak & Dagger, Runaways, Inhumans, and the Netflix shows.
To be honest, I'm surprised they haven't given Daisy Johnson her own show yet. She's easily the most developed and most well-rounded female superhero the MCU has. Definitely one of the most well-received. Very very seldom will you actually hear someone who's watched AoS say something negative about her. Seriously! Not only is she one of the most powerful heroes in the MCU but one of the most highly trained agents of SHIELD. She was trained by Melinda May, Bobbi 'Mockingbird' Morse, and Grant Ward, who was revealed in the pilot episode to have "the highest marks since Romanoff." Not to mention her incomparable tech prowess. Quake would be an amazing show. Plus she ended up with Daniel Sousa from Agent Carter and he would be an awesome co-star.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 6, 2021 19:05:12 GMT
The last episode was beautifully done with quite a lot more heart than I was suspecting... but I have to admit I'm quite disappointed that a number of the more interesting angles of the story turned out to be nothing but Red Herrings. Quicksilver was disappointing. The villain was disappointing. The lack of a bigger villain was disappointing. The resolution with the second Vision was disappointing. The reason for the creation of the hex was disappointing. The way Wayward was handled was disappointing. Darcy was barely used. There was no big cameo like we were led to believe. Monica Rambeu's fight scenes were disappointing. In fact most of the fight scenes were just so-so. The main redeeming quality of this finale was that it had a lot of heart. Well, that and the fact that Wanda finally got a proper Scarlet Witch costume. Very heartfelt, and a well earned resolution to the family storyline. But overall, meh. It was awesome to see Wanda finally get her costume and codename from the comics, but everything you pointed out was spot on. The Pietro reveal was incredibly disappointing, and they completely wasted Monica in this episode. I know it wasn't her story, but they spent a lot of time on a character that ultimately didn't factor into things at all. I like Vision, but the whole point of the series was accepting loss and moving on...so they resurrect maybe the most meaningful character death the MCU has ever had? (Well, maybe Natasha. Gamora is already back, so forget that.) And where did he go? Why would he not try to help Wanda? That element felt sloppy, while the end of fake Vision (and the children) was quite touching. I'm glad they didn't kill off Agatha, she could make a great villain in another story even if it was disappointing that there wasn't a larger force in play this time around (that we know of). Overall I don't know how I'd rate the show. Those early episodes were rough, I couldn't get into the show at all until it started revealing the connection to the MCU. The ending was very powerful and I don't know how you get there without exploring their relationship the way they did. Could they have done this in four or six episodes? Maybe, but I think the tone would've been all over the place if you're combining multiple sitcom eras into individual episodes; and the finale wouldn't have felt as earned. I applaud their effort on this show, it just isn't the format I'm looking for.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 7, 2021 1:42:39 GMT
Going by that Quicksilver reveal, that makes this the second time in a row that the MCU has done a multiverse fake out. Are they going to go for three with No Way Home?
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 7, 2021 4:37:55 GMT
Going by that Quicksilver reveal, that makes this the second time in a row that the MCU has done a multiverse fake out. Are they going to go for three with No Way Home?I'm actually surprised with the direction they decided with Quicksilver. It's as if they didn't learn anything from the Mandarin fiasco.
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Post by hobowar on Mar 7, 2021 5:05:17 GMT
Going by that Quicksilver reveal, that makes this the second time in a row that the MCU has done a multiverse fake out. Are they going to go for three with No Way Home?Let's hope so.
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Post by hobowar on Mar 7, 2021 5:20:25 GMT
Easily the best... thing Marvel has ever done. The way this show handled trauma, grief, coping mechanisms, what poor mental health does to people and how it effects those around them was just perfect. Honestly I think the MCU should just stop now as they're never going to top this. Also the way they pimp slapped all dude bros with the Pietro reveal was just... chef's kiss
The way Wandavision tackled complex and sophisticated themes with a level of elegance and nuance the morons who made Joker wish they were capable of is just a thing of beauty in my eyes.
10/10
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 7, 2021 5:36:40 GMT
Also the way they pimp slapped all dude bros with the Pietro reveal was just... chef's kiss. 10/10
Pretty sure doing that to a number of your fans is not a good thing.
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Post by hobowar on Mar 7, 2021 6:00:31 GMT
Also the way they pimp slapped all dude bros with the Pietro reveal was just... chef's kiss. 10/10
Pretty sure doing that to a number of your fans is not a good thing. Depends who you ask, I guess. The Mandarin may still be Feige's finest moment, but this is certainly up there in my opinion. Rise of Skywalker, Endgame and the Snyder cut are pretty much what happens when you let the fans get a hand on the wheel, and that's not what I want at all.
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Post by pennypacker on Mar 7, 2021 19:10:13 GMT
Wow that was terrible.
So how many times is Vision going to die? 🙄
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 8, 2021 20:03:49 GMT
I've always found Wanda self-absorbed, dangerous, and borderline sociopathic. Forget the borderline, this lady sucks. "Sorry" doesn't mean much if you run away without facing any consequences for your actions like a hit and run. What makes her not a villain at this point? She experienced some deaths? So did Zemo. Enslavement and psychological torture are okay if you're doing it for a sexbot you dated for less than two years... Right.
On that note, nice that we now have a definite return for Vision lined up, so literally nothing in Infinity War mattered. Do people still think that's an edgy, dramatic masterpiece? A movie that may as well come with a bunch of Get Out of Jail Free cards in the blu-ray case? Meh.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 8, 2021 20:33:16 GMT
I've always found Wanda self-absorbed, dangerous, and borderline sociopathic. Forget the borderline, this lady sucks. "Sorry" doesn't mean much if you run away without facing any consequences for your actions like a hit and run. What makes her not a villain at this point? She experienced some deaths? So did Zemo. Enslavement and psychological torture are okay if you're doing it for a sexbot you dated for less than two years... Right. On that note, nice that we now have a definite return for Vision lined up, so literally nothing in Infinity War mattered. Do people still think that's an edgy, dramatic masterpiece? A movie that may as well come with a bunch of Get Out of Jail Free cards in the blu-ray case? Meh. Hey, tell that to the outriders! Nobody has brought them back yet.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 8, 2021 20:55:36 GMT
Wanda has always been one of my least favorite “heroes” in the MCU. She’s always rubbed me the wrong way, and it baffles me that her making the Hulk go on a rampage in an African city was never addressed. I also thought her entire romance with Vision was pretty forced, and was probably the weakest part of IW. They shared, what, two scenes in CW?
At this point, I think I’d rather have her be portrayed as a villain in DS2.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 8, 2021 21:34:28 GMT
I've always found Wanda self-absorbed, dangerous, and borderline sociopathic. Forget the borderline, this lady sucks. "Sorry" doesn't mean much if you run away without facing any consequences for your actions like a hit and run. What makes her not a villain at this point? She experienced some deaths? So did Zemo. Enslavement and psychological torture are okay if you're doing it for a sexbot you dated for less than two years... Right. On that note, nice that we now have a definite return for Vision lined up, so literally nothing in Infinity War mattered. Do people still think that's an edgy, dramatic masterpiece? A movie that may as well come with a bunch of Get Out of Jail Free cards in the blu-ray case? Meh. Hey, tell that to the outriders! Nobody has brought them back yet. Give it time.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 8, 2021 21:38:03 GMT
Wanda has always been one of my least favorite “heroes” in the MCU. She’s always rubbed me the wrong way, and it baffles me that her making the Hulk go on a rampage in an African city was never addressed. I also thought her entire romance with Vision was pretty forced, and was probably the weakest part of IW. They shared, what, two scenes in CW? At this point, I think I’d rather have her be portrayed as a villain in DS2. African lives don't matter much to Wanda...look at Operation Human Shield in Wakanda for Vision.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 21:44:50 GMT
Wanda has always been one of my least favorite “heroes” in the MCU. She’s always rubbed me the wrong way, and it baffles me that her making the Hulk go on a rampage in an African city was never addressed. I also thought her entire romance with Vision was pretty forced, and was probably the weakest part of IW. They shared, what, two scenes in CW? At this point, I think I’d rather have her be portrayed as a villain in DS2. The characterization is crazy inconsistent in the movies. It’s a result of limited screen time more than anything. Once she joined the Avengers they just decided to ignore her semi-villainous past. I’m still not exactly sure if she ever forgave Tony for her parents’ deaths. This was never addressed at all!
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 8, 2021 22:19:52 GMT
Wanda has always been one of my least favorite “heroes” in the MCU. She’s always rubbed me the wrong way, and it baffles me that her making the Hulk go on a rampage in an African city was never addressed. I also thought her entire romance with Vision was pretty forced, and was probably the weakest part of IW. They shared, what, two scenes in CW? At this point, I think I’d rather have her be portrayed as a villain in DS2. The characterization is crazy inconsistent in the movies. It’s a result of limited screen time more than anything. Once she joined the Avengers they just decided to ignore her semi-villainous past. I’m still not exactly sure if she ever forgave Tony for her parents’ deaths. This was never addressed at all! Now that I think about it, I’m pretty sure the reason that CW glosses over her past actions is because it would be more difficult to take Cap’s side if the movie acknowledged Wanda’s less than savory past.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 8, 2021 22:51:38 GMT
Wanda has always been one of my least favorite “heroes” in the MCU. She’s always rubbed me the wrong way, and it baffles me that her making the Hulk go on a rampage in an African city was never addressed. I also thought her entire romance with Vision was pretty forced, and was probably the weakest part of IW. They shared, what, two scenes in CW? At this point, I think I’d rather have her be portrayed as a villain in DS2. She's probably my favorite female MCU character after Hela, and I love her precisely for the reasons you mentioned. When you look at some of the most popular male characters (Tony Stark, Loki, Thor, Thanos, Starlord, etc.) a lot of them are very imbalanced individuals. Majority of the female characters on the other hand are a lot more pristine and well balanced. Wanda having a lot of issues and baggage is what made her interesting. As for her love story with Vision, heck, have you seen what the dating scene looks like nowadays? I've seen people get married in as little as 3 months of knowing each other. I don't think the romance with Vision was forced, just that majority of it happened behind the scenes because they didn't get their show till now, and now we do finally see it developed.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 8, 2021 22:55:18 GMT
Wanda has always been one of my least favorite “heroes” in the MCU. She’s always rubbed me the wrong way, and it baffles me that her making the Hulk go on a rampage in an African city was never addressed. I also thought her entire romance with Vision was pretty forced, and was probably the weakest part of IW. They shared, what, two scenes in CW? At this point, I think I’d rather have her be portrayed as a villain in DS2. She's probably my favorite female MCU character after Hela, and I love her precisely for the reasons you mentioned. When you look at some of the most popular male characters (Tony Stark, Loki, Thor, Thanos, Starlord, etc.) a lot of them are very imbalanced individuals. Majority of the female characters on the other hand are a lot more pristine and well balanced. Wanda having a lot of issues and baggage is what made her interesting. As for her love story with Vision, heck, have you seen what the dating scene looks like nowadays? I've seen people get married in as little as 3 months of knowing each other. I don't think the romance with Vision was forced, just that majority of it happened behind the scenes because they didn't get their show till now, and now we do finally see it developed. I would’ve been more ok with Wanda if the writers didn’t expect us to sympathize with her so much. That’s why I hope she’s a villain in the next Doctor Strange movie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 23:32:04 GMT
The characterization is crazy inconsistent in the movies. It’s a result of limited screen time more than anything. Once she joined the Avengers they just decided to ignore her semi-villainous past. I’m still not exactly sure if she ever forgave Tony for her parents’ deaths. This was never addressed at all! Now that I think about it, I’m pretty sure the reason that CW glosses over her past actions is because it would be more difficult to take Cap’s side if the movie acknowledged Wanda’s less than savory past. They just didn’t want to take the time to continue her redemption arc. Which is somewhat understandable given how many characters they had to juggle. But it does leave the character feeling thin and neglected. Though I have not seen the series so I don’t know if WV fixes this or not...
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