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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 7, 2021 0:33:34 GMT
Of course it is. Funny how this is coming out just as the Snyder Cut is being released. Funny how they're pretending there was a Snyder Cut in the first place, when it required a shit ton of reshoots and revamped CGI. It isn't a Director's Cut, it's a remake using old footage. Justice League was not a good movie, the Snyder Cut will be even worse. By all accounts, “a shit ton of reshoots” is an exaggeration. The idea that there was anything resembling a finished product you could call the Snyder Cut is an exaggeration. But hooray, we get a ridiculously extended version of what was already a shitty movie from a studio who has no idea what to do with their IP.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 7, 2021 0:45:30 GMT
By all accounts, “a shit ton of reshoots” is an exaggeration. The idea that there was anything resembling a finished product you could call the Snyder Cut is an exaggeration. But hooray, we get a ridiculously extended version of what was already a shitty movie from a studio who has no idea what to do with their IP. There was no finished product. That’s true. The movie was still half a year away when Snyder left production, so that goes without saying. Supposedly, once WB decided to move ahead with the Snyder Cut, they initially wanted to just release the rough cut that Snyder had when he left, but he told them no.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 7, 2021 21:18:43 GMT
There was a time when all he had to do was finish the CGI. At this point it's all about hindsight and fixing things years after the fact. Especially when you see what people didn't like about the previous version. From what I understand, the reshoots in question weren’t really necessary, but were simply something that Snyder decided to add in because he thought it would be a “cool” way of expanding the story, and they apparently only amount to around four or five minutes of a four hour movie. I don’t see how that negates the fact that the Snyder Cut is a director’s cut. Again, something that wouldn't have been there in the original cut and is powered by hindsight.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 7, 2021 21:32:20 GMT
From what I understand, the reshoots in question weren’t really necessary, but were simply something that Snyder decided to add in because he thought it would be a “cool” way of expanding the story, and they apparently only amount to around four or five minutes of a four hour movie. I don’t see how that negates the fact that the Snyder Cut is a director’s cut. Again, something that wouldn't have been there in the original cut and is powered by hindsight. As I said in the past, Snyder hasn’t even seen the theatrical cut.
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Post by csale on Mar 8, 2021 3:58:29 GMT
1) the executives hired Whedon.
2) they forced the runtime down - so any lack of coherence is also partly their fault.
3) the executives forced the release date despite more editing needing being done so that they could receive their bonuses by releasing it in that quarter.
Now, I had liked a lot of Whedon’s stuff prior to this and, saying that, he didn’t help out the movie a bunch. The tone was jarring and his additions seemed rather pedestrian at best and lecherous at worst - quick pan of WWs butt anyone?
The timing on this just seems like a good way of excusing themselves from the project since Whedon is being outed as being a $&@$.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 8, 2021 13:09:15 GMT
Again, something that wouldn't have been there in the original cut and is powered by hindsight. As I said in the past, Snyder hasn’t even seen the theatrical cut. Are you sure?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 8, 2021 13:25:04 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 8, 2021 22:41:25 GMT
1) the executives hired Whedon. 2) they forced the runtime down - so any lack of coherence is also partly their fault. 3) the executives forced the release date despite more editing needing being done so that they could receive their bonuses by releasing it in that quarter. Now, I had liked a lot of Whedon’s stuff prior to this and, saying that, he didn’t help out the movie a bunch. The tone was jarring and his additions seemed rather pedestrian at best and lecherous at worst - quick pan of WWs butt anyone? The timing on this just seems like a good way of excusing themselves from the project since Whedon is being outed as being a $&@$. The problem here is, people keep calling this "Whedon's Justice League" and keep blaming Whedon for the result. This was not his movie alone. He did a bunch of reshoots and added and changed stuff up but a lot of the barebones structure of the movie was from Snyder. Had Whedon built this movie from the ground up then I'm pretty sure it would have been different. So which parts we should blame on Whedon and which parts we should blame on Snyder is a tricky line to draw. All I know is, Justice League had far less issues than BvS and received better reception than BvS as well.
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Post by csale on Mar 9, 2021 0:09:38 GMT
1) the executives hired Whedon. 2) they forced the runtime down - so any lack of coherence is also partly their fault. 3) the executives forced the release date despite more editing needing being done so that they could receive their bonuses by releasing it in that quarter. Now, I had liked a lot of Whedon’s stuff prior to this and, saying that, he didn’t help out the movie a bunch. The tone was jarring and his additions seemed rather pedestrian at best and lecherous at worst - quick pan of WWs butt anyone? The timing on this just seems like a good way of excusing themselves from the project since Whedon is being outed as being a $&@$. The problem here is, people keep calling this "Whedon's Justice League" and keep blaming Whedon for the result. This was not his movie alone. He did a bunch of reshoots and added and changed stuff up but a lot of the barebones structure of the movie was from Snyder. Had Whedon built this movie from the ground up then I'm pretty sure it would have been different. So which parts we should blame on Whedon and which parts we should blame on Snyder is a tricky line to draw. All I know is, Justice League had far less issues than BvS and received better reception than BvS as well. We are definitely in agreement here. It just gets me so agitated to hear the executives call out anyone since the execs themselves have been a major impediment to the movies to date. I remember before Wonder Woman was about to come out, one of my podcasts I listen we’d to at the time (maybe Collider Movie Talk?) were reporting that the execs wanted little to do with it because they didn’t think it would be successful- that lead to little/no interference and still probably the best DC movie to date.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2021 19:31:49 GMT
The problem here is, people keep calling this "Whedon's Justice League" and keep blaming Whedon for the result. This was not his movie alone. He did a bunch of reshoots and added and changed stuff up but a lot of the barebones structure of the movie was from Snyder. Had Whedon built this movie from the ground up then I'm pretty sure it would have been different. So which parts we should blame on Whedon and which parts we should blame on Snyder is a tricky line to draw. All I know is, Justice League had far less issues than BvS and received better reception than BvS as well. We are definitely in agreement here. It just gets me so agitated to hear the executives call out anyone since the execs themselves have been a major impediment to the movies to date. I remember before Wonder Woman was about to come out, one of my podcasts I listen we’d to at the time (maybe Collider Movie Talk?) were reporting that the execs wanted little to do with it because they didn’t think it would be successful- that lead to little/no interference and still probably the best DC movie to date. Well the execs are definitely the main culprits when it comes to the deplorable state of the DCEU. I have a lot of issues with Snyder and his movies but at least the guy had a plan. The WB execs are just jumping at every shadow they see and changing directions at whim. There is no longer any rhyme or reason to their decisions.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 9, 2021 22:15:58 GMT
That's only saying that they said he should never see back then.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 9, 2021 22:27:04 GMT
That's only saying that they said he should never see back then. He’s consistently made it clear that he hasn’t seen the movie.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2021 22:34:08 GMT
That's only saying that they said he should never see back then. He’s consistently made it clear that he hasn’t seen the movie. Then he's either a liar or he's obstinately stupid. Even if you could somehow convince me that a director would not watch a movie that he had a direct hand in making, the fact that he wouldn't review it to see what he could improve upon before trying to remake it is, well, quite stupid.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 9, 2021 22:36:47 GMT
He’s consistently made it clear that he hasn’t seen the movie. Then he's either a liar or he's obstinately stupid. Even if you could somehow convince me that a director would not watch a movie that he had a direct hand in making, the fact that he wouldn't review it to see what he could improve upon before trying to remake it is, well, quite stupid. What would there be to improve upon? None of the footage Whedon shot is in the Snyder Cut.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2021 23:08:50 GMT
Then he's either a liar or he's obstinately stupid. Even if you could somehow convince me that a director would not watch a movie that he had a direct hand in making, the fact that he wouldn't review it to see what he could improve upon before trying to remake it is, well, quite stupid. What would there be to improve upon? None of the footage Whedon shot is in the Snyder Cut. But a number of shots Snyder made are in the Whedon cut. And reviewing a movie that you're about to remake is a smart move (in fact it's common sense) even if you weren't the one who created the original. Because in the end, you want to make an improvement, which means studying the original material to see what did and didn't work.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 9, 2021 23:32:36 GMT
What would there be to improve upon? None of the footage Whedon shot is in the Snyder Cut. But a number of shots Snyder made are in the Whedon cut. And reviewing a movie that you're about to remake is a smart move (in fact it's common sense) even if you weren't the one who created the original. Because in the end, you want to make an improvement, which means studying the original material to see what did and didn't work. Technically, the theatrical version was a “remake” of what Snyder had already shot. The changes Whedon made were already an attempt at improving the film.
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