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Post by OldSamVimes on Mar 9, 2021 18:15:13 GMT
Is it just your brain shutting down before death? Random synopses firing before you cease to exist? Lots of interesting books and data on this subject, just came across a recent article.. 'When Gregg Nome was 24 years old, he slipped into the churn beneath a waterfall and began to drown, his body pummelled against the sandy riverbed. What he saw there surprised him. Suddenly, his vision filled with crystal-clear scenes from his childhood, events he had mostly forgotten, and then moments from early adulthood. The memories, if that’s what they were, were vivid and crisp. Was he reliving them? Not quite. They came at high speed, almost all at once, in a wave. And yet he could process each one individually. In fact, he was able to perceive everything around him: the rush of the water, the sandy bed, all of it brilliantly distinct. He could “hear and see as never before,” he recalled later. And, despite being trapped underwater, he felt calm and at ease. He remembered thinking that prior to this moment his senses must have been dulled somehow, because only now could he fully understand the world, perhaps even the true meaning of the universe. Eventually, the imagery faded. Next, “There was only darkness,” he said, “and a feeling of a short pause, like something was about to happen.” From here |
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Post by mikef6 on Mar 9, 2021 19:16:08 GMT
Endorphins flooding the brain.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 9, 2021 19:23:06 GMT
Hallucinations
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 19:40:54 GMT
It means you are near death, but not quite, and your brain is still functioning. It goes mental.
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Post by goz on Mar 9, 2021 22:14:25 GMT
Nothing.
They mean you didn't die and experienced the precursors to chemical and physical death in your brain.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 10, 2021 0:10:02 GMT
There is only one right answer at the moment.
Nobody knows.
I am inclined to believe it is just a natural process of the brain in a dying state.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 10, 2021 11:07:01 GMT
There is only one right answer at the moment. Nobody knows. I am inclined to believe it is just a natural process of the brain in a dying state. Or a stressful state. The brain doesn't die first, or so I believe. It would depend on the nature of death as well. I said the process of the brain in a dying state, by that I mean what the brain is doing while the person is dying.
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Post by klandersen on Mar 10, 2021 14:39:28 GMT
Nothing. They mean you didn't die and experienced the precursors to chemical and physical death in your brain. The assumption is the person is experiencing these thoughts and feelings before death or as one nears it, however I think it is when the person is being resuscitated as oxygen is re-flooding the brain that causes the sensation. In other words, it’s an after near death experience. That makes sense. I have read many, and I do mean many, books on the subject, it fascinates me. Especially the ones that concentrate more on the clinical medical science than the emotional feel good Christian "praise The Lord Heaven is Real" ones. Often when they are recalling their experience(s) the people telling about their experiences will say that "all" of the events took place during the time period when their bodies were not responding to resuscitation attempts and no brainwave activity is detected. It could very well be that what they are recalling actually happened as you said at the time the oxygen is re-flooding the brain and NOT at the previous time when there was no brain activity. Usually they will mention hearing conversations going on in the ER while their body was being worked on, or "seeing" the events from above. Obviously before the inactivity their bodies were receiving the audio of the conversations, and when they were revived. It could be that during their trauma the part of the brain that records audio signals and usually just files them away in a dark recess, filed them in an active reviewable file. The question is the parts of the ER conversation that was happening when they were "away". It very well could be that in talking to the ER staff later about the events they filled that information in the gaps from their memories of the events. As much as I would love for some of the things people have experienced to "be true" and be "waiting" for us once we pass from this plain of existence, I highly doubt it.
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Post by goz on Mar 10, 2021 21:18:45 GMT
Nothing. They mean you didn't die and experienced the precursors to chemical and physical death in your brain. The assumption is the person is experiencing these thoughts and feelings before death or as one nears it, however I think it is when the person is being resuscitated as oxygen is re-flooding the brain that causes the sensation. In other words, it’s an after near death experience. Possibly. It is hard to tell, since the people who actually die are unable to tell us. It is only the opinion of the survivors, with all the baggage that contains.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 10, 2021 21:21:45 GMT
The problem with trying to really understand NDE is (for obvious reasons) they're very difficult to experiment and study on, unless you were to cross some really unethical lines and produce certain questionable social experiments.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Mar 14, 2021 20:03:02 GMT
The problem with trying to really understand NDE is (for obvious reasons) they're very difficult to experiment and study on, unless you were to cross some really unethical lines and produce certain questionable social experiments. That's why the experiments into DMT are exciting.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Mar 14, 2021 20:07:06 GMT
You have to not only be pessimistic, but a 'species narcissist' to imagine human beings posses enough information on this to completely dismiss all instances of NDE's and reincarnation as hallucinations and 'discharges of chemical endorphins'.
No sense of awe or mystery at all.
'We have it all figured out and it's just a bunch of biological junk'.
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Post by gw on Mar 15, 2021 3:13:33 GMT
You have to not only be pessimistic, but a 'species narcissist' to imagine human beings posses enough information on this to completely dismiss all instances of NDE's and reincarnation as hallucinations and 'discharges of chemical endorphins'. No sense of awe or mystery at all. 'We have it all figured out and it's just a bunch of biological junk'. What is science supposed to look for here? There are people who have taken LSD, ayahuasca, and other psychedelics who claim to have seen God. Is there awe and mystery here? I don't know how you'd find this out, but there probably is a limit to the intensity of emotion and/or sensory acuteness one person can experience. The trouble is that you'd be relying on memories which may exaggerate how intense a vision beyond death was and of course it may not have happened at all.
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Post by goz on Mar 15, 2021 21:40:39 GMT
You have to not only be pessimistic, but a 'species narcissist' to imagine human beings posses enough information on this to completely dismiss all instances of NDE's and reincarnation as hallucinations and 'discharges of chemical endorphins'. No sense of awe or mystery at all. 'We have it all figured out and it's just a bunch of biological junk'.Pretty much, as there is no evidence of anything else, and when the biological 'junk' fails and dies....so do we.
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