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Post by sostie on Mar 18, 2021 17:05:17 GMT
Another thing people are complaining about is the aspect ratio. It’s not like 1996, when you got the 4:3 cropped from the original 1:85 to fit a BOX TV: So yes, you lost some of the picture: But in Snyder Cut of JL. He filmed it all with IMAX cameras. So if you crop it to fit a 16:9 tv with a 1:85 aspect ratio, then you’re actually LOSING some of the image. Why is that so hard to understand? This movie is supposed to be an epic. Shot on IMAX cameras. But it's only looking epic on IMAX screens. I'm pretty sure the majority of cinema screens are not IMAX and doesn't look especially epic on TV (these films have a longer life on and will be more often viewed on TV screens) Snyder I'm sure settled on the 1.33:1 ratio because he realised if released on big screen it would'nt get a massive release and it would appeal to JL fans who were willing to seek it out and perhaps pay extra...a smaller release predominantly on IMAX screens was doable, but COVID scuppered that and he was stuck with a ratio that isn't suited for modern TV format. The post battle "epic" line-up shot I was thinking where's Aquaman....you seemed to wait an age before they panned out and included him in the screen shot I'm glad it wasn't cropped, but a different ratio would have been much better.
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Post by sostie on Mar 18, 2021 17:35:20 GMT
A) DCEU Flash B) DCEU Cyborg C) DCEU Cyborg AND DCEU Shazam D) DCEU Cyborg and parademons E) DCEU Cyborg and Shazam Everything you've listed has happened in DCEU films too, anything else? So that’s how BVS, Watchmen and JL happened? Not even Man of Steel was like that. He was born an alien who came to Earth. He isn’t a guy who gets superpowers. Dude, you can hate Snyder’s vision all you want. I respect your opinion. But to say his films are formulas like the MCU, then I know you have never seen his films. Or you’re lying. It is difficult to accuse MCU films of having a formula and DCEU films not when DCEU films also follows those formulas and tropes. Some of the DC films even follow the same basic plot ideas and characteristics in earlier MCU. The comparisons between First Avenger & Wonder Woman, Guardians and Suicide Squad, Avengers & Justice League, Civil War and BvS are numerous. Shazam probably meets all the formularic points you accuse Marvel films of having. Ditto Thor. And Man Of Steel didn't exactly not follow a formula..it was basically a retelling of the first two earlier Superman films. There are Snyder films I love - DOTD, Watchmen, 300, even to some extent Man Of Steel. But his DC films seem to be mainly mood pieces surrounding some attempts at the "iconic" shot (best seen in BvS with the Day of the Dead scene and flood rescue..easily the best moments in that film). MCU films seem to embrace the whole history of their comic universe from the 60's to preset, but DCEU seems to be stuck in the Miller/Moore (and those that emulated them) 80s . You may see MCU films as "cookie cutter", but with each one I have been entertained more than I have been bored. The reverse I can say for the DC films.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 0:37:39 GMT
So that’s how BVS, Watchmen and JL happened? Not even Man of Steel was like that. He was born an alien who came to Earth. He isn’t a guy who gets superpowers. Dude, you can hate Snyder’s vision all you want. I respect your opinion. But to say his films are formulas like the MCU, then I know you have never seen his films. Or you’re lying. Are you one of the last warriors of the ridiculous DC/Marvel board wars from the old forum? You’re avoiding the point. No, I’m making a statement. Zack Snyder, love him or hate him. Is anything but formula based. That’s all I’m trying to say. I’m not trying to resurrect some Marvel/DC war. That’s stupid. I’m just saying it’s obvious Snyder doesn’t make a “Yes Man” cookie cutter CBM.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 19, 2021 3:14:05 GMT
The Flash's intro, playing over an acoustic version of Sunrise, by Ratty...
...a track I loved from a cd I owned, G.r.o.o.v.e 2002. Needless to say my jaw paralyzed, 19yrs apart hearing that, slowed down sung no less.
I might need to lie down after I lie down.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 4:54:30 GMT
Im not going to lie.
Spoilers:
When Superman returned and his two dads are voicing over. I got emotional. I didn’t expect that honestly. He’s my favorite superhero character and when he came in to stop Steppenwolf, it was amazing.
I watched Man of Steel on Tuesday, BvS (Ultimate Edition) on Wednesday and then this on Thursday.
My only gripe is, I wish they had spent more time on Superman. But it’s okay, when he comes in. It’s epic.
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Post by sostie on Mar 19, 2021 10:38:00 GMT
The Flash's intro, playing over an acoustic version of Sunrise, by Ratty... ...a track I loved from a cd I owned, G.r.o.o.v.e 2002. Needless to say my jaw paralyzed, 19yrs apart hearing that, slowed down sung no less. I might need to lie down after I lie down. Do you mean the scene where he does the truck crash rescue outside the pet store? The song playing is "Song To The Siren" by Tim Buckley which came out in 1970 ish. The Ratty track contains a sample of the This Mortal Coil version (for me the best version of the song) of the song which came out in the 80's. The version on Justice League is a cover of the song by Rose Betts What you actually heard was a cover version of a song, which was covered earlier and sampled on a track you know
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 19, 2021 14:22:32 GMT
Personally i thought it was a very good movie.
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Post by orlandogardner on Mar 19, 2021 20:18:29 GMT
I'd go with maybe a 5/10. For the record I'm a DC comic book fan and have wanted all their movies to deliver. So no bias here.
So anyway, is it a story told in a more coherent way than the original cut? Oh absolutely.
Is it still an amalgamation of one clunky scene followed by another clunky scene?
Is it still filled with dialogue, characters, and their emotions, written in blunt crayon?
Will you, as a full grown adult, feel moments of embarrassment at how on-the-nose some of the emotional (and musical) cues are?
Have the story telling and plot beats all the subtle nuance of a 4 year old telling you about their day?
Is the action stunted and lifeless and the CGI horrendously outdated?
Is the only person in this film who remembers how to act Amy Adams?
Will you shout "Get the feck on with it!" more than once?
Unfortunately, absolutely. Yes to all of the above. And the worst thing is it looks, from the epilogue, that there's more to come from Snyder. Talking about failing up. I'm just not getting the love this is getting. Maybe people are just surprised that it is at least coherent. I'm hoping though it's a swan song and Snyder is out but I'm willing to bet that I'm wrong unfortunately.
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Post by Vits on Jul 1, 2021 8:22:35 GMT
When JUSTICE LEAGUE came out in 2017, people said that Joss Whedon was to blame for the finished product because of his involvement, but now we know the truth. I'm referring to his creative contributions, not him being a piece of shit on set. A director's cut (that's supposed to show us Zack Snyder's true vision) has been released and it confirms that Joss didn't write all of the comedic moments during his re-shoots, and the ones he did write were just an extension of what was already there (which makes sense considering the (briefer) comic relief moments in MAN OF STEEL and BATMAN V SUPERMAN). Hell, there's even a couple of jokes in this version that didn't end up in the theatrical cut. I think it's better to break this down into 4 categories: 1) Same pros: The overall plot (which is fun) hasn't changed. 2) Same cons: The overall plot (which is unmemorable and it doesn't live up to the hype of seeing this legendary team on screen) hasn't changed. Too many characters are crammed in, so they're not all properly developed. Zack makes so many individual moments feel like the most dramatic event in the world to the point of exhaustion. 3) New pros: The fact that it's 362 minutes long and doesn't feel like a drag is impressive! The multiple subplots don't feel rushed anymore. Some scenes contain new songs that fit well, while others don't have any music anymore (which highlights the intensity of the moment). More time is dedicated to Cyborg at the beginning in a way that makes them even more likable than before. The Flash gets a brand new scene where he's at a pet store. He sees a young woman in danger and he saves her, while showing that he knows how to treat animals. Steppenwolf now has scenes where he and Darkseid (his leader) discuss the evil plan. Even though they're clichéd, I was so invested because Steppenwolf was showing a surprising amount of emotion. This is the first time the words "Wonder Woman" are uttered by a character, making her name official in-universe (wait, should this be a con since it took so long for this to happen?). There's a new epilogue that sets future movies up. I know that has annoyed people in the past, but it's done in a smarter way. Instead of hinting at what's to come, they show it. And because "it" is something that destroys the world, we see our heroes at probably their lowest point, so we feel the urge to find out how they arrived at this point. Not since a certain episode of LOST has foreshadowing (if you can even call it that) been this exciting! 4) New cons: Some scenes contain new songs that don't fit. More time is dedicated to Aquaman at the beginning without much purpose. Do you remember his scene with Mera that explained his past? Now he also gets a scene with Vulko (a character that actually debuted in his solo movie) that's not different enough to avoid redundancy. The Flash gets a brand new scene where he's at a pet store. He sees a young woman in danger and takes more time than needed to save her. Sure, being cocky about his powers is part of the character, but if you're going to show him doing other things, can't they at least be things that matter?! Something other than admiring the woman's beauty?! How can you even feel smitten in a situation like this?! When Steppenwolf appears in Themyscira, the Amazons try to trap him in a chamber while Queen Hippolyta tries to protect the Mother Box. This time, said chamber falls from a cliff, but Steppenwolf and his Parademons emerge from the water. Look, this is the introduction of the villain. Anyone with half a brain knows that he won't be stopped so early in the story. This was trimmed in the theatrical cut (Steppenwolf simply destroys the doors of the chamber and exits) and it should've stayed that way. When he sees that Steppenwolf is about to kill his father, Cyborg attacks. This time, he lets his emotions take over, while he was a lot more in control in the theatrical cut. There's a new epilogue that's ruined once we discover that it's Batman having a nightmare. I know that doesn't mean it won't happen for real (it's most likely a premonition), but presenting it as a twist (especially one of the worst of its kind) made me roll my eyes. Not to mention that the image of him waking up makes the scene lose momentum. It gets worse once an alien (and future teammate) named Martian Manhunter shows up. Even though Batman has seen all of kinds of beings by this point, I still don't buy how he reacts so calmly to this visitor. Actually, his chill attitude implies that the nightmare didn't have any effect on him, taking away all the dramatic weight. As you can see, it's all very balanced out, which is why I'm giving it the same grade. 7/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.
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