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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 9:17:34 GMT
I don't agree with any of his beliefs at all. I am sorry about his wife. Been there and done that.
As a baseball player he should be in the HOF. That's a no-brainer. IMO The MLB is the only sport that has a morality clause in it.
Should he be in the HOF?
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Post by millar70 on Mar 20, 2021 9:21:28 GMT
He's in my Hall of Fame.
My Hall of Fame is based 110% on what you did between the lines. I could care less what you do outside the lines.
He will never be voted in by the media, perhaps when he gets to the veteran's stage. The guy was a money pitcher.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Mar 20, 2021 9:28:43 GMT
Sure why not
The fact he's a moron, a buffoon and an oaf should have no bearing on whether he gets in or not
I view Pete Rose as the most disgusting human being in the Universe and I think he should be in the Hall And for the record Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Roger Clemens et all are some of my childhood heroes when I was just a wee young pup - they should be in too
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 9:40:30 GMT
He's in my Hall of Fame. My Hall of Fame is based 110% on what you did between the lines. I could care less what you do outside the lines. He will never be voted in by the media, perhaps when he gets to the veteran's stage. The guy was a money pitcher. I agree with everything you said. I honestly have no idea how the veteran's committee will look at him. He's an enigma. I make a point of the morality clause because it does make a difference in how people will vote. As well it should since it's part of the criteria. This may be a poor example but what if Derek Jeter would have killed or have been found guilty of sexual misconduct. Would that factor into to your decision? Are there levels of morality for the HOF?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 9:48:58 GMT
Sure why not
The fact he's a moron, a buffoon and an oaf should have no bearing on whether he gets in or not
I view Pete Rose as the most disgusting human being in the Universe and I think he should be in the Hall And for the record Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Roger Clemens et all are some of my childhood heroes when I was just a wee young pup - they should be in too So the morality clause has no bearing on how you would vote? Or does it depend on what the individual considers to be moral?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Mar 20, 2021 10:00:45 GMT
Sure why not
The fact he's a moron, a buffoon and an oaf should have no bearing on whether he gets in or not
I view Pete Rose as the most disgusting human being in the Universe and I think he should be in the Hall And for the record Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Roger Clemens et all are some of my childhood heroes when I was just a wee young pup - they should be in too So the morality clause has no bearing on how you would vote? Or does it depend on what the individual considers to be moral? Pretty much no bearing
I'll give you an example
Vile human being
Chris Benoit
I think he should be in the Hall too
In situations for these people who are human scum - you have no celebratory inclusions - i.e. they are not honored amongst their peers and the fans. You simply include them with no fanfare, mention, celebration, public extravaganza/acknowledgement - their names/plaque simply appear in the Hall for their achievements in their perspective sport.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 10:18:10 GMT
Pretty much no bearing
I'll give you an example
Vile human being
Chris Benoit
I think he should be in the Hall too
In situations for these people who are human scum - you have no celebratory inclusions - i.e. they are not honored amongst their peers and the fans. You simply include them with no fanfare, mention, celebration, public extravaganza/acknowledgement - their names/plaque simply appear in the Hall for their achievements in their perspective sport.
So you're saying that you'd ignore the morality criteria if you were voting any HOF person? I'm not judging I just love to hear other people's take on things so I like to play DA on certain subjects. If Mariano Rivera was a pedophile you'd still vote him into the HOF?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Mar 20, 2021 10:30:15 GMT
Pretty much no bearing
I'll give you an example
Vile human being
Chris Benoit
I think he should be in the Hall too
In situations for these people who are human scum - you have no celebratory inclusions - i.e. they are not honored amongst their peers and the fans. You simply include them with no fanfare, mention, celebration, public extravaganza/acknowledgement - their names/plaque simply appear in the Hall for their achievements in their perspective sport.
So you're saying that you'd ignore the morality criteria if you were voting any HOF person? I'm not judging I just love to hear other people's take on things so I like to play DA on certain subjects. If Mariano Rivera was a pedophile you'd still vote him into the HOF? Hmmmmmm.
Again this situation is tricky
Tricky indeed.
Maybe we can have a protest at the actual HOF ceremony and show support for the victims and their families where we burn his jerseys and use a lifelike dummy as a human pinata - but again his name just goes in with no celebration at all as we collectively trash him for being vile filth as he rots away deservedly so in jail for the rest of his life dying a lonely slow painful death getting beat up 24/7 by other inmates.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 10:48:47 GMT
Hmmmmmm.
Again this situation is tricky
Tricky indeed.
Maybe we can have a protest at the actual HOF ceremony and show support for the victims and their families where we burn his jerseys and use a lifelike dummy as a human pinata - but again his name just goes in with no celebration at all as we collectively trash him for being vile filth as he rots away deservedly so in jail for the rest of his life dying a lonely slow painful death getting beat up 24/7 by other inmates.
Well played, well played indeed. I guess the only thing I'm saying is the voters now take it way more seriously than the years past. With social media the spotlight is on the voters more than ever. If the morality criteria is part of the voting then it should be considered. How the individual views morality is up to them. Maybe the steroid guys should be in the HOF but with no plaque and in a separate section? Problem is probably already roiders in the HOF. How do separate? Not to mention how do we choose or know for sure? Is cheating, cheating or are there levels of cheating?
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Post by Shane Falco on Mar 20, 2021 11:18:08 GMT
No.
As a player is he deserving? No.
As a human being? No.
Put him in the Red Sox Hall of Fame for his bloody sock if you want but not in the real HOF.
That said, the HOF has gotten to be more of a joke now days so a question like this seems pointless. Would he be more deserving than Baines? Sure. But imo still not deserving whether it is player based or personality based.
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Post by Shane Falco on Mar 20, 2021 11:35:55 GMT
Also, who is his wife and what does she have to do with anything?
Just because someone is dating or married to a celebrity doesn't in turn imo make them a celebrity.
Whoever they are should get no headlines or articles written about what they say more so than any of us.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 11:46:31 GMT
No. As a player is he deserving? No. As a human being? No. Put him in the Red Sox Hall of Fame for his bloody sock if you want but not in the real HOF. That said, the HOF has gotten to be more of a joke now days so a question like this seems pointless. Would he be more deserving than Baines? Sure. But imo still not deserving whether it is player based or personality based. So you don't think as a player he deserves it? He's an 80 WAR player and is one of the best post season pitchers in the history of baseball. Baines was questionable to say the least. That says more about the veteran's committee than anything else. How has the HOF become joke lately? What players that made it do you think shouldn't have made it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 11:54:37 GMT
Also, who is his wife and what does she have to do with anything? Just because someone is dating or married to a celebrity doesn't in turn imo make them a celebrity. Whoever they are should get no headlines or articles written about what they say more so than any of us. The only reason I mention his wife is that she's been battling cancer for quite awhile. His kids also have some issues. Nor an excuse but maybe part of the reason for his antics.
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Post by Shane Falco on Mar 20, 2021 12:11:03 GMT
No. As a player is he deserving? No. As a human being? No. Put him in the Red Sox Hall of Fame for his bloody sock if you want but not in the real HOF. That said, the HOF has gotten to be more of a joke now days so a question like this seems pointless. Would he be more deserving than Baines? Sure. But imo still not deserving whether it is player based or personality based. So you don't think as a player he deserves it? He's an 80 WAR player and is one of the best post season pitchers in the history of baseball. Baines was questionable to say the least. That says more about the veteran's committee than anything else. How has the HOF become joke lately? What players that made it do you think shouldn't have made it? Nope. I dont personally like the "WAR" stat so much as it is not concrete. One site will list it as such and the other another. It is too flimsy for my liking. I am also in the mind of wanting a much smaller hall of fame. One in which Schilling isn't close to getting into. The Harold Baines induction basically cemented the joke of it all imo. If he is in than the criteria becomes all sorts of fucked up. How is he in yet a guy like Fred McGriff isn't? How does a closer become the first 100% guy over somebody like Griffey/Maddux/Johnson? The process imo has been exposed as bullshit. Schilling can be in the Hall of very good but not the hall of fame.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 22:43:53 GMT
Nope. I dont personally like the "WAR" stat so much as it is not concrete. One site will list it as such and the other another. It is too flimsy for my liking. I am also in the mind of wanting a much smaller hall of fame. One in which Schilling isn't close to getting into. The Harold Baines induction basically cemented the joke of it all imo. If he is in than the criteria becomes all sorts of fucked up. How is he in yet a guy like Fred McGriff isn't? How does a closer become the first 100% guy over somebody like Griffey/Maddux/Johnson? The process imo has been exposed as bullshit. Schilling can be in the Hall of very good but not the hall of fame. I agree with the WAR stat not being concrete but it's a starting point for conversation. Only one pitcher with a WAR higher than Schillings is not in the HOF, and that's Clemens. He like Schilling has extenuating circumstances. If you look at his career stats he's in the top 30 in many of them. Other than wins. Can't hold wins against him since he was on some bad teams over his career. His ERA+ puts him in the top 40 pitchers in the history of baseball. The 100% voting thing really doesn't matter. Why does it matter if a few people didn't vote for somebody? There's always going to be personal opinion when it comes to any type of voting. The whole idea of voting is the majority rules. Doesn't matter if they get 400 votes, 399 votes or 300 votes. I totally agree on McGriff. He's getting screwed. As far as Baines goes, the writers didn't vote for him but he was voted in by players, who have a better idea of what an opponent brings to the table. It's not all about stats at that point. I'll trust the players that actually played the game over the writers any time.
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Post by Rufus-T on Mar 24, 2021 3:15:20 GMT
As a Yankees fan, I can't stand him. That said, he definitely should be in. Nevermind the stat, which was fantastic by the way 216-146 3.46 3116K in 20 years. He was one of the dominant pitcher during the era and took 3 teams to the WS while doing the impossible in helping in a major role in breaking The Curse of the Bambino. I agree it should be a no-brainer. Unfortunately, politics will keep him out.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 24, 2021 7:46:15 GMT
I don't agree with any of his beliefs at all. I am sorry about his wife. Been there and done that. As a baseball player he should be in the HOF. That's a no-brainer. IMO The MLB is the only sport that has a morality clause in it. Should he be in the HOF? not a fan of the dude as a person.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Mar 24, 2021 12:56:11 GMT
Yes, he should be in the Hall. Being a giant dickhead and spouting things that have been proven to be untrue shouldn't be grounds for being barred, it just makes you a tool. Off the field stuff shouldn't factor into it, unless you have been convicted, or pled not guilty to, a felony or somehow cheated the game. Schilling's on the field performance should get him the nod.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 17:13:34 GMT
I always thought Curt Schilling SHOULD'VE played for Atlanta Braves instead of teams like the Red Sox and Phillies? Why you might ask?
Because Atlanta fans don't get their PANTIES in a twist over whether or not you're a Republican or Democrat. Who the fuck cares.
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