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Post by goz on Apr 4, 2021 4:05:08 GMT
They would, but the people who say 'if God shows Himself, THEN I'll believe, if he PROVES His existence, THEN I'll believe He's real', wouldn't because they'd find another reason not to believe. Does it never occur to the stupidest person on all these boards, that it might be because there is no actual evidence for God?
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Post by Admin on Apr 4, 2021 4:52:50 GMT
They would, but the people who say 'if God shows Himself, THEN I'll believe, if he PROVES His existence, THEN I'll believe He's real', wouldn't because they'd find another reason not to believe. Does it never occur to the stupidest person on all these boards, that it might be because there is no actual evidence for God? Actual evidence isn't actual evidence?
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Post by goz on Apr 4, 2021 5:09:13 GMT
Does it never occur to the stupidest person on all these boards, that it might be because there is no actual evidence for God? Actual evidence isn't actual evidence? ...nor evidence at all...in actual fact
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Post by Admin on Apr 4, 2021 6:34:41 GMT
Actual evidence isn't actual evidence? ...nor evidence at all...in actual fact But the statement was that if “actual evidence” actually presented itself, you would just find some other reason not to believe. You’re very dismissive lately. Everything ok?
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Post by goz on Apr 4, 2021 7:15:23 GMT
...nor evidence at all...in actual fact But the statement was that if “actual evidence” actually presented itself, you would just find some other reason not to believe. You’re very dismissive lately. Everything ok? I am dismisive on any possible evidence of God's existence...full time and not just ..'lately'.
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Post by Admin on Apr 4, 2021 8:20:48 GMT
But the statement was that if “actual evidence” actually presented itself, you would just find some other reason not to believe. You’re very dismissive lately. Everything ok? I am dismisive on any possible evidence of God's existence...full time and not just ..'lately'. In this case, it's not possible evidence - it's actual evidence. See, now you're not even paying attention. You sure you're ok?
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Post by kls on Apr 4, 2021 10:04:52 GMT
I recall a verse where Jesus said to Thomas "Thou believe because thou hast seen me. Blessed are those who have not seen me and still believe."
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Post by rizdek on Apr 14, 2021 22:09:09 GMT
Ironically, Paul was nearly blind. His eyesight probably never fully recovered after his trip to Damascus. Galatians 6:11 See with what large letters I am writing to you with my own hand.1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. Anyway, these are Paul's words, not Jesus'. Who said "there are none so blind as those who will not see"? Ray Stevens?
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2021 22:13:41 GMT
Who said "there are none so blind as those who will not see"? Ray Stevens? Do you suppose he was talking to Ethel?
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 14, 2021 22:16:32 GMT
They would, but the people who say 'if God shows Himself, THEN I'll believe, if he PROVES His existence, THEN I'll believe He's real', wouldn't because they'd find another reason not to believe. I wish I could prove that we’re not all like that but you’d probably find a reason to believe that we are.
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2021 22:27:46 GMT
If God exists and he (or she) revealed themselves, would people who believe in God actually accept God as God? Presuming he doesn't, perhaps a better (not rhetorical!) question would be "why doesn't he?"
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 14, 2021 22:58:58 GMT
I wish I could prove that we’re not all like that but you’d probably find a reason to believe that we are. I love how they get uppity when asked for some evidence for God’s existence, then blame the non-believer for there not being any. There will always be people who refuse to change their minds but if God does exist I hope I get one of those short visits to Heaven/Hell before I die.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 22:59:01 GMT
Depends on how he revealed himself. Too much, they might be scared. Too less, then questions by those who stand to lose power or authority
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Post by theauxphou on Apr 22, 2021 20:47:00 GMT
I’ll believe/accept anything as long as it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2021 20:49:38 GMT
I just realized the twisted wording of the question:
"If God exists and he (or she) revealed themselves, would people who believe in God actually accept God as God?"
People who believe in God already accept God as God. No?
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 22, 2021 20:56:24 GMT
I just realized the twisted wording of the question: "If God exists and he (or she) revealed themselves, would people who believe in God actually accept God as God?" People who believe in God already accept God as God. No?
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Post by Isapop on Apr 22, 2021 20:59:09 GMT
I just realized the twisted wording of the question: "If God exists and he (or she) revealed themselves, would people who believe in God actually accept God as God?" People who believe in God already accept God as God. No? I think the question is about God turning out to be different from what theists were expecting.
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2021 21:03:28 GMT
I just realized the twisted wording of the question: "If God exists and he (or she) revealed themselves, would people who believe in God actually accept God as God?" People who believe in God already accept God as God. No? I think the question is about God turning out to be different from what theists were expecting. Does the question presume what theists were expecting?
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Post by Isapop on Apr 22, 2021 21:05:35 GMT
I think the question is about God turning out to be different from what theists were expecting. Does the question presume what theists were expecting? No. It doesn't have to if it's just asking about a difference from whatever expectation one holds.
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2021 21:10:29 GMT
Does the question presume what theists were expecting? No. It doesn't have to if it's just asking about a difference from whatever expectation one holds. "God as God" vs "God as your expectation." I suppose the OP would be the one to clarify this, and I'm guessing he tried to do just that with the facepalm above, but I'm starting to believe I'm just not smart enough to see how that helps my openly admitted confusion.
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