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Post by Skaathar on Mar 31, 2021 4:10:47 GMT
Thought I'd make a fair Snyder vs. Whedon thread. The first proper assembly movies for both DCEU and MCU respectively, which movie was better?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 31, 2021 4:22:00 GMT
I went with ZSJL.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 31, 2021 4:33:08 GMT
ZSJL yet it's closer than it appears.
The Avengers took a handful of safe solo films & turned the genre to 11.
ZSJL is like fine wine for me alongside Watchmen, its production value is top notch. Then again 4 hours, fixing 'wrongs', & musical nuance as it were, ZSJL had more time & hindsight to polish itself.
I will mention I've the other 3 Avengers films ahead of ZSJL.
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 31, 2021 8:50:40 GMT
I think it's close but I give Zack Snyder's Justice League a slight edge.
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Post by Stammerhead on Mar 31, 2021 9:27:22 GMT
I’m watching the Snyder Cut keep on thinking about how it could be trimmed down by at least one hour without really losing anything. For all their faults the Avenger films are not this self important.
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Post by sostie on Mar 31, 2021 10:58:34 GMT
I think I liked almost all MCU films more than any version of Justice League.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 1, 2021 17:13:46 GMT
Avengers 9/10
ZSJL 3/10 (probably being too generous here)
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 1, 2021 19:17:01 GMT
Zack Snyder’s Justice League. From the day I saw it in theaters I’ve thought The Avengers is a dreadful movie. (And, yes, I know that’s an unpopular opinion.) That said, Iron Man is better than both. 
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 1, 2021 20:04:50 GMT
You know what I love about this thread? Extreme differences in opinion and zero attacks/arguments.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 1, 2021 20:33:49 GMT
LOLOL 8-9? It’s Avengers and it’s not even a discussion.
ZSJL looks like a cheap clone of Avengers actually. Ooooh it’s darker, fantastic. Avengers feels like it takes place in reality, and has a much more complex plot with elements like SHIELD and the World Security Counsel, along with a villain who we understand why he’s fighting for validity. Steppenwolf we have no clue why he feels like he has to prove something. They just say he does, and the entire film feels that kind of empty.
Avengers also utilizes all of its scenes to convey character and capabilities. The first little battle between Thor, Cap, and Iron Man isn’t just to have them fight, it’s to highlight what they can do and their general disposition to one another.
ZSJL on the other has tons of wasted scenes. 8 minutes is spent introducing WW and it barely makes sense. Why do the terrorists have a timer on a bomb when their only goal is to blow it up? In fact why the heist at all. Just blow it up in the street. Makes no sense. Why does WW not just tackle the guy when he’s reloading? They just showed her moving fast enough to stop his bullets. Instead she makes everybody watch her blast him through a wall and endangers everybody below. Makes no sense.
And there’s tons of this in ZSJL. The crash Flash saves his girl from. She’s just pulled away from the curb. It wouldn’t be flipping. Also she never comes back up so this scene doesn’t really do anything. The prison the Amazon’s have an elaborate system to burying an enemy in while sacrificing themselves to do it, has an open window in the top to easily swim out of. Its just awkward so much of the time.
ZSJL is a slightly better redo to a terrible film in a divisive franchise. There isn’t all that much going on, it doesn’t justify its own run time, it has the same basic plot, and the best that can be said about it is that it has some good looking action scenes. There’s just nothing really in depth to discuss about it in an insightful way, leaning the more interesting discussion being the things that don’t make sense. Therefore calling it better than the Avengers is simply insane. There is no rational argument you can make to justify that.
Avengers meanwhile is a tightly plotted film where everything not only works but matters to the overall film narrative. It also has scene after scene of classic interactions and fist pumping audience reaction moments. It’s a genuine landmark film in the history of the genre in the most positive way possible.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 1, 2021 20:35:03 GMT
Avengers is more enjoyable; Justice League has more to it (higher highs, lower lows).
Voted for Avengers.
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Post by hobowar on Apr 1, 2021 21:07:50 GMT
What a world we live in where I can't actually believe that the Avengers is winning currently.  |
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 1, 2021 21:32:31 GMT
What a world we live in where I can't actually believe that the Avengers is winning currently. Probably that's because Avengers is the more well-rounded movie. Or rather, The Avengers has less issues. Both movies have their highs and fans of both will try to exaggerate those highs. The main difference I think comes in the lows. The Avengers have very few weaknesses whereas the Snyder Cut has quite a few. Fans of the Snyder Cut will be more than willing to overlook those weaknesses in light of the strengths of the movie but I think the casual audience won't be as forgiving.
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