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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 17, 2021 19:16:43 GMT
Based on how Kathleen Kennedy has run things...Yes. Star Wars was indeed better under George Lucas.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Apr 20, 2021 4:14:38 GMT
Of course it was, the george lucas star wars had some great films. Also, why did disney buy the star wars license again?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 20, 2021 4:36:40 GMT
Also, why did disney buy the star wars license again? Because George Lucas decided to sell it and Disney knew it was a big cash cow of a franchise, so they wanted it.
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Post by dazz on Apr 20, 2021 7:28:21 GMT
Of course it was, the george lucas star wars had some great films. Also, why did disney buy the star wars license again? Money, lots and lots of money, SW in 2010 brought in over $500m in toy sales that year alone, and thats without a movie pushing it, 2015-2019 Disney sold over $10 billion worth of SW merch, over twice as much as they spent on making the movies, and they make more in return on the cost for the merch than they do the cost of the movies. With SW, Marvel, Winni The Pooh, Mickey Mouse and the Disney Princess franchises Disney owns 5/10 of the 10 highest grossing media franchises in the world, 3/5 of which are in the top 5 of all time having grossed over $50 billion dollars each minimum, whilst the other two have grossed over $35 billion apiece each also. So yeah it's all about the $$$$'s for Disney.
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 21, 2021 14:50:03 GMT
Of course it was, the george lucas star wars had some great films. Also, why did disney buy the star wars license again? Disney played the "long con" on George Lucas. They've had a relationship with him going back to Star Tours and the Disney weekends at their parks (with Star Wars celebrities in attendance). It makes sense why George Lucas would fall back on what was familiar and sell to them. Also why he would choose Kennedy - someone he had a relationship with for decades as well. However, they fooled him. They had no interest in what he cared about for Star Wars. They vetoed his ideas.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Apr 21, 2021 15:48:30 GMT
However, they fooled him. They had no interest in what he cared about for Star Wars. They vetoed his ideas. I'm not sure that's necessarily true. He didn't want to make any more films and they offered him a huge sum of money. Maybe it's just as simple as that. It's a bit like how fans get annoyed with Harrison Ford because he's not that invested in it. He's an actor, was happy to be in it at the time, make money off it but he's no super fan, probably hasn't watched any of them for years, and just doesn't care. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just hard for people invested in it to understand that could be the case.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 21, 2021 19:42:47 GMT
Definitely, and that's coming from someone who's enjoyed Rogue One, Solo, much of TLJ, and The Mandalorian. I haven't gotten to S7 of Clone Wars yet either, but I'm sure it'll be just as great as the rest of the show.
I'd still give all of that up to have Lucas back at the helm (although I'm sure he'd have okayed a Clone Wars S7 at some point). With the technology today, a new trilogy from Lucas would be absolutely fascinating - even if it sucked.
The Disney Sequel trilogy was an aimless nightmare. At least Lucas would bring a guaranteed cohesive vision to the table.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Apr 21, 2021 21:47:54 GMT
However, they fooled him. They had no interest in what he cared about for Star Wars. They vetoed his ideas. I'm not sure that's necessarily true. He didn't want to make any more films and they offered him a huge sum of money. Maybe it's just as simple as that. It's a bit like how fans get annoyed with Harrison Ford because he's not that invested in it. He's an actor, was happy to be in it at the time, make money off it but he's no super fan, probably hasn't watched any of them for years, and just doesn't care. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just hard for people invested in it to understand that could be the case. Actually this is true. George Lucas provided at the very least a draft script and Disney threw it in the garbage. GL also heavily respected the expanded universe and considered it canon, Disney threw it out the window. GL was involved in everything Star Wars before the Disney buy including the much praised Clone Wars show. While it's definitely agreed him having total control is a bad idea, he still needs to have a writing presence at the least. As for Harrison Ford, most Star Wars fans bare him no grudge for not caring for the franchise much and heavily respect him as someone who helped keep GL in check during the og trilogy.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 21, 2021 21:53:47 GMT
However, they fooled him. They had no interest in what he cared about for Star Wars. They vetoed his ideas. I'm not sure that's necessarily true.
He didn't want to make any more films and they offered him a huge sum of money. Maybe it's just as simple as that. It's a bit like how fans get annoyed with Harrison Ford because he's not that invested in it. He's an actor, was happy to be in it at the time, make money off it but he's no super fan, probably hasn't watched any of them for years, and just doesn't care. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just hard for people invested in it to understand that could be the case. True. He didn’t want to make any more films. But it is true that Disney and Kathleen Kennedy fooled or “conned” him. This can even be found on YouTube in an interview with Lucas and Kennedy. Kathleen bullet points the “sacred” things about SW. She gushed over George being her mentor. And she assured Lucas that she understood his vision of what SW is and is meant to be going forward. She even shadowed Lucas during the production of CWAS (Clone Wars animated series). But after Disney bought it from him and Kennedy took over LucasFilm, they brought in Lucas to be a consultant. They even used him to convince the big OT 3 (Hamill, Fisher, and Ford) to sign contracts to the trilogy. But after consultation meetings with Lucas they completely backtracked on all of that stuff Kennedy said to Lucas when they were trying to woo him into selling. They rejected most his ideas, went in a starkly different direction, and made so many edits and alterations to Hamill’s character that he regretted signing on. What do you think Hamill’s “I fundamentally disagree with how you see my character/I had to pretend to be Jake Skywalker” was about? What do you think George Lucas’ (Charlie Rose) interview “These are the white slavers who take your ideas...” comment was about?
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 21, 2021 22:46:49 GMT
I'm not sure that's necessarily true. He didn't want to make any more films and they offered him a huge sum of money. Maybe it's just as simple as that. Bob Iger admitted in his book that George Lucas felt betrayed for how they treated him. They threw out his ideas and went "another direction" with the movies.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Apr 22, 2021 8:42:28 GMT
Actually this is true. George Lucas provided at the very least a draft script and Disney threw it in the garbage. GL also heavily respected the expanded universe and considered it canon, Disney threw it out the window. GL was involved in everything Star Wars before the Disney buy including the much praised Clone Wars show. While it's definitely agreed him having total control is a bad idea, he still needs to have a writing presence at the least. As for Harrison Ford, most Star Wars fans bare him no grudge for not caring for the franchise much and heavily respect him as someone who helped keep GL in check during the og trilogy. I think most people here would know the story of Lucas' sell out and Disney changing the goalposts. However I think most people here would also know the story of how George Lucas self financed TESB and did everything he could to keep full control of Star Wars. Yeah, I'm sure he would annoyed re what Disney did and no doubt angry at individuals involved (although again, as per the Harrison example, perhaps not to the extent we fans would wish / believe / hope for). However it's perhaps showing as much naivety as we'd like to place on Lucas to say that the guy was completely "fooled". That a guy who famously risked everything on having full control at one stage would then flippantly sign off on a contract selling off his intellectual property without knowing - or having it explicitly stated to him by his lawyers - that there was nothing binding in the papers to say they must continue to follow his outlines. I honestly don't think he would have been that stupid / naive...
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Apr 22, 2021 8:52:34 GMT
What do you think Hamill’s “I fundamentally disagree with how you see my character/I had to pretend to be Jake Skywalker” was about? What do you think George Lucas’ (Charlie Rose) interview “These are the white slavers who take your ideas...” comment was about? I've sure I've said on here before but much as I love Hamill I don't particularly have much respect for his retrospective actions here. I absolutely believe he had it in his power to save the character - and quite possibly the sequels if he had rejected TLJ. Sure they could have threatened him for breach of contract but after the cliffhanger end of TFA they had literally nowhere else to go if he had stood firm and refused to be part of it. That I would have respected. Not whining about it after the fact.
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Post by moviemeisters on May 6, 2021 20:49:05 GMT
Despite the obvious weaknesses in the Disney films, I’ll lean towards no. We wouldn’t have gotten Mandalorian if he was still in-charge and he clearly lost interest in the universe by this point. If he had continued making SW content it probably also would have been bad. He’d run the series into the ground just in a different way from Disney. As things stand, we, at least, have ONE new good piece of Star Wars content.
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