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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 16, 2017 3:08:20 GMT
I'm the opposite. I don't get why anyone would want to watch super muscular oiled up behemoths meander slooooooooowly around the ring and perform at best the most basic and most boring "moves" i.e. choke slams, (fill in lame trademark name) punch, leg/elbow drops etc... Talk about guys from your neighborhood. Thats how lame fat dudes fight in real life. Shove each other around until one fat slob is too exhausted to do anything. Now guys like Goldberg or Lesnar who destroy people are a totally different story but it sounds like you are more into staring at tall muscular guys no matter how boring and limited they are. That's the type guy Vince loves so you should be happy with the current state of WWE. Vince is determined to make his latest crush Roman Reigns the face of the WWE so just be patient. Even with piped in cheers, Reigns is not liked by crowds and he's too damn boring to be even a half assed heel. Is that what you mean by guys who get 0 reaction or are you a Reigns fan? you should put Reigns in Lesnars and Goldbergs class right now. yeah - i know people love to hate on him like Cena - haters will hate - he's actually quite talented in the ring and one of the only reasons to tune in despite his limited mic skills ala Goldberg and Lesnar. he's an agile big man and a human wrecking machine. i'd rather watch reigns than 90% of the rosters. flipping back and forth now and just saw that cruiserweight dud tag team match with neville, perkins, aries and the british guy. crowd was dead and couldn't wait for it to be over. the TJ Perkins cat looks like Beaver Cleaver - bland, dull, no personality - no presence - just some dud they threw out there. unbelievable they keep shoveling that crap out. reigns just hit the ring. boos galore. that's what it's all about. a reaction ala Cena. good or bad. not crickets chirping like a vanilla midget like tj perkins who looks like he should be studying in a library and drinking a dr. pepper. In general, I agree with the basic wisdom of your post as it relates to guys being over (getting big reactions) etc., but I've gotta respectfully disagree and side with poelzig about Reigns: he's been miscast in almost every way since the Shield breakup and really has more "X-Pac" -- or "go away" -- heat than he does people invested in his character, whether they love him or hate him. You can argue there was an element of this to Cena, and you'd be right, but I really think it's different with Reigns insofar as the fans voicing their dislike of him is almost unilaterally an overt attempt to straight-up shit on the booking/product/creative surrounding him. The other elephant in the room is that, frankly, this hurt John Cena (and, by extension, the WWE) too. The company slowly eroded in terms of viewership with Cena as the top guy, and that trend has increased steeply since Reigns's push began in full force. Not good.
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Post by poelzig on May 16, 2017 3:31:29 GMT
Nothing. Especially Cherry Dr Pepper. I do agree that TJ Perkins is bland though. they even turned him heel and nobody cared/noticed. should change his name to TJ Snoozefest countless times i've tuned in - he comes down the ramp to crickets chirping. this is the problem - get duds like this off my TV. otherwise i'm picking up the remote and tuning in 2 weeks later. only to see this dud come down the ramp again to crickets chirping....... as i'm scrambling for my remote. love the fans that bash cena and reigns but will rave over garbage like this Watching Reigns be handed countless opportunities only to fail to interest the crowd has made me gain new respect for Cena. Personally I think AJ Styles is the best talent in WWE right now. He can put on a good match with anyone. Do you consider him a boring guy from the neighborhood? If so we definitely watch wrestling for different reasons.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 16, 2017 13:08:18 GMT
I don't despise Russo but at the same time I think he's part of the problem. Wrestlers looking like regular guys is more of a problem on the indy scene. The problem I see is they all look similar with the big muscles and the tattoos. As the saying goes, if you have all big man, you have no big men because nobody stands out. So if the WWE sets the trend because they're the big #1 company, then everybody tries to do what they see on tv which means it ends up all being similar and nothing unique. Where as in the past, each guy breaking in grew up watching a different territory. Then after they broke in, they worked different territories which means they were exposed to many different kinds of workers and different styles. But I can go on and on about all of that and more when it comes to the comments Cornette raises regularly about current wrestling. The booking is a whole other topic in itself that an entire book could be written about. i'll give you some examples. sami zayn. i just don't get it. the whole cruiserweight division. and you'll have to excuse my ignorance i rarely tune in. i think it's great they turned Neville heel - i don't know much about Austin Aires even from his TNA days - just that he can 'go'. but you throw these dull bland duds in there - a match leading up to the main event on RAW - it's a ratings killer. just bland dull personalities built like jockeys and pizza delivery drivers - your average everyday 'joe' in some situations. i watch these guys come down the ramp to '0' reaction and i cringe and change the channel - which i'm guessing a ton of other people do to. i do agree about the booking. here's an example - the one Wyatt guy who looks like Bruiser Brody. why wasn't he ever built up like Brody? just this maniac that was unstoppable. now there's somebody with the proper writing and booking i can get behind and tune in for on a weekly basis. i get it's a new 'era' - but i look at that guy and i see 'Brody'. missed opportunity in my eyes not to give this guy the strap with his look and just give him this 'maniac' charles manson/brody persona That's really Creative's fault. Every guy you mentioned gets reactions every where else. Until the main roster gets a hold of them. Clearly something is broken there. The dull personalities are due to the bland scripts the writers pass of as "promos." Gone are the days when wrestlers could learn to find their voice. And again, none of those guys are every day joes. Every day Joes are not sculpted muscle. But yes, Harper is a huge missed opportunity. Every time the guy starts to gain some momentum, Creative puts a halt to it. He started a hot feud with Orton, and many said his match at Fastlane was a star making performance for Harper, but since then, Creative's done nothing with him. He's either kept off tv or jobbed out.
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Post by Jayman on May 16, 2017 15:00:32 GMT
What's wrong is the fact that there's writers and scripts to begin with
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 15:27:31 GMT
What's wrong is the fact that there's writers and scripts to begin with who would you say is on the roster and could just be given a 'mic' and roll..... you probably know more than me as i rarely tune in - owens y2j rollins orton styles (shockingly - see him as a quasi heel has changed my opinion of the bland dud i saw in TNA) but when it comes to the Reigns/Ambroses' of the world - do you think they could get over on their own? maybe they could - couldn't hurt. maybe the fact they're given lines is restricting them and they're just not comfortable with not being 'themselves'.
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Post by Jayman on May 16, 2017 21:55:40 GMT
I really don't know more than you about the current product. I know much less. I just think it's pathetic to have lines written for people like a television drama.
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Post by poelzig on May 17, 2017 0:02:58 GMT
This thread has sort of swerved but I did watch the video that started it. Cornette came off as sort of a douchebag but waiting 20 minutes for some DQ burgers would upset most people.
Sort of on topic, who else is surprised and impressed with the way Chris Jericho performed over the last year or so? The guy is close to 50 and can still produce in the ring. Not only that but his teaming & feuding with Kevin Owens provided some of the better moments of Smackdown.
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Post by Jayman on May 17, 2017 0:07:12 GMT
He was out of line by going up to the window and calling the girl an ugly bitch. But I couldn't make out what she said to him first. I've heard him tell the story before in the past, but I never knew it was actually recorded till I ran across it on youtube.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 17, 2017 13:10:47 GMT
This thread has sort of swerved but I did watch the video that started it. Cornette came off as sort of a douchebag but waiting 20 minutes for some DQ burgers would upset most people. Sort of on topic, who else is surprised and impressed with the way Chris Jericho performed over the last year or so? The guy is close to 50 and can still produce in the ring. Not only that but his teaming & feuding with Kevin Owens provided some of the better moments of Smackdown. Jericho, more than the Undertaker or anybody else, has really become a master of reinventing himself. With every return, he brings something new to the table. The List of Jericho? Who else could run with that and get it so over?
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Post by emeralderosion98 on May 18, 2017 2:43:49 GMT
I agree with a hell of a lot of what he says about modern day wrestling. He loves the business and is outspoken about things he thinks are wrong with it. I don't blame him for that.
Too many problems with Cornette. Here is a guy who claims he loves wrestling and wants to help. When all he ever does is make podcast pretty much s---tting on whoever, whenever he can. He hates modern wrestling, hate someone trying to do cutting edge things. Kenny Omega thing is an example...not for all that Kenny Omega stuff, but damn...Cornette sure does spend a lot of time ragging on the guy. If someone allowed Cornette to run a promotion today like TNA or ROH, he would run that thing into the ground like he did his own SMW.
His hate for Russo is pretty much justified though. Give him that much credit...Cornette just needs to get with the times.
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Post by Jayman on May 18, 2017 3:06:52 GMT
I don't see it that way. I see things that are screwed up that are happening in wrestling as well and it's legitimate to criticize those things. I think too many people just dismiss him as not being with the times or that he can't accept that wrestling has "evolved". The Kenny Omega thing was very specific to a few extremely questionable things he did. What specifically did he say that you don't agree with? Other than the kenny omega stuff.
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Post by emeralderosion98 on May 18, 2017 4:27:57 GMT
I don't see it that way. I see things that are screwed up that are happening in wrestling as well and it's legitimate to criticize those things. I think too many people just dismiss him as not being with the times or that he can't accept that wrestling has "evolved". The Kenny Omega thing was very specific to a few extremely questionable things he did. What specifically did he say that you don't agree with? Other than the kenny omega stuff.
Problem with Cornette is, he complains but he can't do any better. Will never have that chance because he burned so many bridges with his lunatic rants.
His behavior towards Santino Marella, the slapping incident. I believe others who were there witnessed it said he was just going overboard taking wrestling a bit too serious. This of course is a common thread in Cornette-isms...takes things to the extreme with wrestling. The guy seems to treat wrestling like its a novella or artesian work on a cinematic scale. Its suppose to be fun and entertaining. Guy blows a gasket over minimal things.
His behavior towards Dixie Carter and TNA is another thing. Sure the company sucks, but he is just upset that they told his ass to leave.
Pretty sure he talked about how bad of a business man Heyman was when in fact, Cornette was a horrible businessman chronicled by Jericho/Storm about how bad of a businessman he was.
His talk about McMahon was pretty comical too when Cornette had some severe weaknesses as a promoter.
Also seems to blow up and brag about his own talent that he managed which is great. But Midnight express was good, not great. Also attribute his positive reinforcement of southern talent to his southern bias.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 18, 2017 13:10:40 GMT
I was with you up until the end. The Midnight Express was in fact great. They helped sell out many shows, and their rivalry with the Rock n Roll Express is one of the greatest in tag team history.
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Post by Jayman on May 18, 2017 14:24:48 GMT
I don't see it that way. I see things that are screwed up that are happening in wrestling as well and it's legitimate to criticize those things. I think too many people just dismiss him as not being with the times or that he can't accept that wrestling has "evolved". The Kenny Omega thing was very specific to a few extremely questionable things he did. What specifically did he say that you don't agree with? Other than the kenny omega stuff.
Problem with Cornette is, he complains but he can't do any better. Will never have that chance because he burned so many bridges with his lunatic rants.
His behavior towards Santino Marella, the slapping incident. I believe others who were there witnessed it said he was just going overboard taking wrestling a bit too serious. This of course is a common thread in Cornette-isms...takes things to the extreme with wrestling. The guy seems to treat wrestling like its a novella or artesian work on a cinematic scale. Its suppose to be fun and entertaining. Guy blows a gasket over minimal things.
His behavior towards Dixie Carter and TNA is another thing. Sure the company sucks, but he is just upset that they told his ass to leave.
Pretty sure he talked about how bad of a business man Heyman was when in fact, Cornette was a horrible businessman chronicled by Jericho/Storm about how bad of a businessman he was.
His talk about McMahon was pretty comical too when Cornette had some severe weaknesses as a promoter.
Also seems to blow up and brag about his own talent that he managed which is great. But Midnight express was good, not great. Also attribute his positive reinforcement of southern talent to his southern bias.
The only criticisms I'm seeing in your post is that he buried other people. He takes the business seriously. Which is the way guys used to take it. Marella was laughing and clowning around on camera like it was a joke. Maybe he shouldn't have gotten slapped but I don't blame the guy for getting pissed off. No offense but I really really hate the description that wrestling is "fun and entertainment". His beef is that wrestling should at least be presented as legit. I don't like people wrestling blow up dolls and 9 year old girls either. When people's only response is that "everybody knows wrestling is a work and it's just fun and entertainment", that annoys me as well. Everybody knew wrestling was a work for the last 70 years. That's not the problem. As far as Heyman goes, he may have done some revolutionary things, but in the end the guy went bankrupt. His burial of Macmahon? I don't think he goes far enough. You're the only one I"ve ever heard say that the midnight express wasn't great. Jim Cornette is not a bitter man. He does not need the wrestling business. He doesn't need the money and does not have the need. Listen to most of the veterans out there and I guarantee you'll hear the same complaints about some of the things happening in the business. That doesn't mean they're bitter old men who are living in the past. That means they see things that they think are wrong in the business they love and made their living in for many years. You just hear it more from Cornette because he does a lot of podcasts.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 18, 2017 18:06:32 GMT
I really don't see how it's a problem that he takes his job very seriously.
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Post by autopsy_12 on May 18, 2017 23:44:29 GMT
Cornette is a crazy old man and that's why I find him entertaining. He is the master of shoot interviews.
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Post by emeralderosion98 on May 19, 2017 1:02:25 GMT
Cornette is a crazy old man and that's why I find him entertaining. He is the master of shoot interviews. Give em that, some of his rants and shoots on people are pretty funny. Probably went too far on bashing Cornette but man is just a loon.
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Post by autopsy_12 on May 19, 2017 4:29:40 GMT
Cornette is a crazy old man and that's why I find him entertaining. He is the master of shoot interviews. Give em that, some of his rants and shoots on people are pretty funny. Probably went too far on bashing Cornette but man is just a loon. I will never tire of his Russo bashing or his Kevin Dunn impersonation.
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