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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 8, 2021 1:55:39 GMT
The more it sounds like Joss Whedon couldn’t have cared less about the movie. At this point, I’m convinced that he was just winging the whole thing. It seems like he only took the job so he could make his Batgirl film. Does anyone else get that impression?
To be clear, Whedon definitely has talent. It just seems obvious that he had no interest in using that talent to “salvage” JL. He probably figured that the movie was doomed no matter what, so why bother putting any real effort into it? I already had my suspicions back when he liked that tweet that called Steppenwolf a lame villain, which happened right when the theatrical version of the movie was opening.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 8, 2021 3:46:08 GMT
He probably gave it his best (in fact, I stand by his take on Superman being way better than Snyder's across three movies) but he'd never own up to it. The guy kinda sounds like a catty bitch and is quick to shift blame. The historically awful lightning toad line in X-Men was his verbatim, but he said the only problem with it was that Halle Berry delivered it wrong. He pulled the same stunt with the entirety of Alien: Resurrection.
So to me, liking a tweet about Steppenwolf sucking is just his usual shenanigans of deflecting whenever something doesn't pan out, in probably the most safe way he could get away with. He's done touch up work before on movies like Speed, and by most accounts he saved that movie. But you can't win them all.
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Post by hobowar on Apr 8, 2021 3:49:31 GMT
I still think he did an amazing job considering he was given a few months and most of the cast were fighting him every step of the way. I think he looked at Zacks footage and knew it was an unsalvageable dumpster fire which is probably why he didn't give it 100%. Any good ideas he had would be wasted on this trainwreck. He was there to add jokes, lighten the tone and cut the runtime down. He was a hired gun at most.   |
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Post by dazz on Apr 8, 2021 19:29:20 GMT
I wouldn't go that far, I would say he didn't have the same passion for it he did other projects, but at the same time he was majorly limited in what he could do, like he had less than 6 months to do major reshoots, cut around Zacks much darker and bleaker story, remove almost every world building element of Snyders film, cut the 4 hour film down to 2 1/2 then further to 2 hours and alter the entire tone of the film, thats a near impossible task to ask of someone.
I mean Snyder made a cut of the movie before he left, they showed that to test audiences and they called it a mess, whilst Whedon's initial cut of this film was said to test as high as the WW testing, so it is possible he was on his way to making a good version of the film and WB then did their usual thing of wanting it cut down further to maximise showings per day, we have no idea what could have been cut from the film last minute to make the runtime which may have been a key part of making that version better...minus the CGI because well that was going to be fucked regardless due to the limited timeframe.
I think what may have been more of a issue where Joss didn't care was in dealing with the cast, like he came in with his orders, cut the film, lighten the film, make it less Snyder, so he didn't have the time to develop the story with the actors like Snyder did, because Zack had years to do that, Whedon had months, and also because of this he likely knew he wasn't going to be doing another movie with this cast so why play nice so he probably allowed his worst traits to show making things even worse by not checking his ego as much as he should and stuff like that.
As for the Batgirl thing, nah I think it's the opposite they just attached his name to Batgirl to cover for him working on JL, WB had Snyder in their crosshairs at that point, they were probably waiting to possibly sack him and bring in Whedon, Batgirl basically was how they kept him on retainer as it were on the hush hush, as no wonder he then announced after JL that he "couldn't crack" Batgirl, Batgirl felt like a smokescreen especially seeing as he was attached to Batgirl before he was attached to JL, unlikely WB would hold Batgirl hostage with Whedon in order for him to do JL after already signing him to do Batgirl, imo atleast.
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