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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 16, 2021 16:44:17 GMT
Harold Miner was the first 'next Jordan.' Also it's exaggeration to say he was LeBron before Lebron, I don't think he was ever on a path to being that great. Still a shame we'll never know what he could've been.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 16, 2021 16:44:48 GMT
Herb Score.
36 wins and 308 K's in his first two seasons. Everyone said he had better stuff that Bob Feller. Mickey Mantle said he was the toughest righty he ever faced. In 1957, Yankee Gil McDougald cracked a liner off Score's head and he was never the same. He was forever gunshy, he changed his motion, which killed his speed and led to a ton of injuries.
Smoky Joe Wood
81 wins by age 22. 400 wins were very possible. One of the epic pitching seasons in 1912, 34-5, 1.91 ERA, 4-1 in the 1912 WS. In a rain filled game in 1913, he slipped on the grass fielding a bunt and broke his thumb. He kept pitching with a busted thumb and was never the same. Had some decent year, as a pitcher and a position player but never the same.
Thought about saying Mark Fidrych. But The Bird was a junkballer who got by with smoke and mirrors. Sad to say, but I think batters would have seen through his little song and dance quickly
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Post by Shane Falco on Apr 16, 2021 17:32:33 GMT
For selfish reasons, Nick Collins the safety for GB. That defense went into disaster mode once he got injured and Woodson started to show he was aging.
Since death counts, Sean Taylor sure looked like he was going to be something special.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 16, 2021 17:36:22 GMT
Herb Score. 36 wins and 308 K's in his first two seasons. Everyone said he had better stuff that Bob Feller. Mickey Mantle said he was the toughest righty he ever faced. In 1957, Yankee Gil McDougald cracked a liner off Score's head and he was never the same. He was forever gunshy, he changed his motion, which killed his speed and led to a ton of injuries. Smoky Joe Wood 81 wins by age 22. 400 wins were very possible. One of the epic pitching seasons in 1912, 34-5, 1.91 ERA, 4-1 in the 1912 WS. In a rain filled game in 1913, he slipped on the grass fielding a bunt and broke his thumb. He kept pitching with a busted thumb and was never the same. Had some decent year, as a pitcher and a position player but never the same. Thought about saying Mark Fidrych. But The Bird was a junkballer who got by with smoke and mirrors. Sad to say, but I think batters would have seen through his little song and dance quickly Broke my thumb as a kid, didn't get it looked at for a day. Doctor thought I was insane as he pushed it back into position the next day and I stared straight ahead like the terminator. Even though it was my non-throwing hand, I'm certain it's the only thing that kept me out of the pros.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Apr 16, 2021 17:39:12 GMT
Herb Score. 36 wins and 308 K's in his first two seasons. Everyone said he had better stuff that Bob Feller. Mickey Mantle said he was the toughest righty he ever faced. In 1957, Yankee Gil McDougald cracked a liner off Score's head and he was never the same. He was forever gunshy, he changed his motion, which killed his speed and led to a ton of injuries. Smoky Joe Wood 81 wins by age 22. 400 wins were very possible. One of the epic pitching seasons in 1912, 34-5, 1.91 ERA, 4-1 in the 1912 WS. In a rain filled game in 1913, he slipped on the grass fielding a bunt and broke his thumb. He kept pitching with a busted thumb and was never the same. Had some decent year, as a pitcher and a position player but never the same. Thought about saying Mark Fidrych. But The Bird was a junkballer who got by with smoke and mirrors. Sad to say, but I think batters would have seen through his little song and dance quickly Broke my thumb as a kid, didn't get it looked at for a day. Doctor thought I was insane as he pushed it back into position the next day and I stared straight ahead like the terminator. Even though it was my non-throwing hand, I'm certain it's the only thing that kept me out of the pros. Could you have been the great QB on this board?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 16, 2021 17:47:13 GMT
Broke my thumb as a kid, didn't get it looked at for a day. Doctor thought I was insane as he pushed it back into position the next day and I stared straight ahead like the terminator. Even though it was my non-throwing hand, I'm certain it's the only thing that kept me out of the pros. Could you have been the great QB on this board? The great QB, MMA fighter, whatever else he's claimed.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 16, 2021 18:38:44 GMT
Another one I just thought of was J.R. Richard. The Astros just dicked around with him for years, up and down. He was kind of a real life Nuke LaLoosh, strike out a ton, walk a ton. At age 26, the Astros learned to live with the walks and made him a full time starter. From 1978 to middle of 1980, he was the most feared pitcher in baseball. A lot of batters said he was 3-5 mph faster than Nolan Ryan. In 1980, he started to have a "dead arm". The team didn't give a shit and the fans and media called him a crybaby. Turns out he had massive blood clots in his throwing arm. He had a stroke in 1980 and never pitched again. Had the Astros treated him better, he probably would have been a first ballot HOFer. I seen him pitch in Pittsburgh in 1979. You cannot hit what you cannot see.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Apr 16, 2021 18:45:22 GMT
Another one I just thought of was J.R. Richard. The Astros just dicked around with him for years, up and down. He was kind of a real life Nuke LaLoosh, strike out a ton, walk a ton. At age 26, the Astros learned to live with the walks and made him a full time starter. From 1978 to middle of 1980, he was the most feared pitcher in baseball. A lot of batters said he was 3-5 mph faster than Nolan Ryan. In 1980, he started to have a "dead arm". The team didn't give a shit and the fans and media called him a crybaby. Turns out he had massive blood clots in his throwing arm. He had a stroke in 1980 and never pitched again. Had the Astros treated him better, he probably would have been a first ballot HOFer. I seen him pitch in Pittsburgh in 1979. You cannot hit what you cannot see. That is an awesome answer to the question. I always thought “what if” regarding him.
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Post by tristramshandy on Apr 16, 2021 18:54:11 GMT
Another one I just thought of was J.R. Richard. The Astros just dicked around with him for years, up and down. He was kind of a real life Nuke LaLoosh, strike out a ton, walk a ton. At age 26, the Astros learned to live with the walks and made him a full time starter. From 1978 to middle of 1980, he was the most feared pitcher in baseball. A lot of batters said he was 3-5 mph faster than Nolan Ryan. In 1980, he started to have a "dead arm". The team didn't give a shit and the fans and media called him a crybaby. Turns out he had massive blood clots in his throwing arm. He had a stroke in 1980 and never pitched again. Had the Astros treated him better, he probably would have been a first ballot HOFer. I seen him pitch in Pittsburgh in 1979. You cannot hit what you cannot see. Got here 15 minutes late. That was going to be my answer.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 16, 2021 18:55:30 GMT
Another one I just thought of was J.R. Richard. The Astros just dicked around with him for years, up and down. He was kind of a real life Nuke LaLoosh, strike out a ton, walk a ton. At age 26, the Astros learned to live with the walks and made him a full time starter. From 1978 to middle of 1980, he was the most feared pitcher in baseball. A lot of batters said he was 3-5 mph faster than Nolan Ryan. In 1980, he started to have a "dead arm". The team didn't give a shit and the fans and media called him a crybaby. Turns out he had massive blood clots in his throwing arm. He had a stroke in 1980 and never pitched again. Had the Astros treated him better, he probably would have been a first ballot HOFer. I seen him pitch in Pittsburgh in 1979. You cannot hit what you cannot see. That is an awesome answer to the question. I always thought “what if” regarding him. The Astros really fucked themselves. The teams 1st playoff appearance, losing to the Phillies in five epic games (four in extra innings). Almost no doubt that a healthy JR would have made the difference. The '80 Astros had one of the great starting rotations, Richards, Nolan Ryan, Joe Niekro, Ken Forsch and Vern Ruhle (before you say "Vern who?", he was 12-4, 2.37 ERA, 1.111 WHIP). Joaquin Andujar took his place in the rotation. He had good years but 1980 wasn't one.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 16, 2021 19:00:53 GMT
Dizzy Dean. 109 wins before Earl Averill bounced a liner off his foot, 16 wins after. A HOFer anyway, but...
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Post by tristramshandy on Apr 16, 2021 19:03:49 GMT
Ryan Shazier. Two time Pro Bowler at the age of 25, he was going to be an every year Pro Bowler going forward.
No one will ever convince me that Kijana Carter wouldn't have been great if he hadn't torn his knee up on his third preseason carry in his rookie year. Fucking astroturf.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Apr 16, 2021 19:17:14 GMT
Another one I just thought of was J.R. Richard. The Astros just dicked around with him for years, up and down. He was kind of a real life Nuke LaLoosh, strike out a ton, walk a ton. At age 26, the Astros learned to live with the walks and made him a full time starter. From 1978 to middle of 1980, he was the most feared pitcher in baseball. A lot of batters said he was 3-5 mph faster than Nolan Ryan. In 1980, he started to have a "dead arm". The team didn't give a shit and the fans and media called him a crybaby. Turns out he had massive blood clots in his throwing arm. He had a stroke in 1980 and never pitched again. Had the Astros treated him better, he probably would have been a first ballot HOFer. I seen him pitch in Pittsburgh in 1979. You cannot hit what you cannot see. That is horrible! Only forty years ago and professional baseball teams didn't have in-house doctors looking at every potential health issue in their athletes?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 16, 2021 19:18:39 GMT
Ernie Davis. Said to be a better RB than Jim Brown. The Browns would have had both Brown and Davis in their backfield. The Browns, an elite team from the second they were founded, have never really been the same since.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 16, 2021 19:20:35 GMT
Another one I just thought of was J.R. Richard. The Astros just dicked around with him for years, up and down. He was kind of a real life Nuke LaLoosh, strike out a ton, walk a ton. At age 26, the Astros learned to live with the walks and made him a full time starter. From 1978 to middle of 1980, he was the most feared pitcher in baseball. A lot of batters said he was 3-5 mph faster than Nolan Ryan. In 1980, he started to have a "dead arm". The team didn't give a shit and the fans and media called him a crybaby. Turns out he had massive blood clots in his throwing arm. He had a stroke in 1980 and never pitched again. Had the Astros treated him better, he probably would have been a first ballot HOFer. I seen him pitch in Pittsburgh in 1979. You cannot hit what you cannot see. That is horrible! Only forty years ago and professional baseball teams didn't have in-house doctors looking at every potential health issue in their athletes?
1980 was still the era of "pitch through the pain", "walk it off", "rub some dirt in it and you'll be fine". Piss poor medical treatment by many teams shortened many careers. Mickey Mantle, Sandy Koufax
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 16, 2021 19:27:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 19:37:29 GMT
This fella could have been one of the greats if he hadn't suffered a crippling ass injury.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Apr 16, 2021 19:53:49 GMT
This fella could have been one of the greats if he hadn't suffered a crippling ass injury. What exactly is happening here?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 20:03:19 GMT
This fella could have been one of the greats if he hadn't suffered a crippling ass injury. What exactly is happening here? Ass injury. Freeze spray.
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