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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 0:55:02 GMT
For example, back when the Wachowskis were making “The Matrix”
They wanted twice their budget and more runtime.
WB forced them to use less budget and trim down the film runtime. They didn’t want to put too much money into an unknown property. They also didn’t want to scare people away with a lengthy film.
This forced the Wachowskis to cut corners visually and get creative. It also forced them to trim the extra fat of the film, which helped pacing.
In the end, we got the Wachowskis sci-fi masterpiece. A happy accident. It made it feel more ominous, like a Twilight Zone episode. A mysterious atmosphere.
WB then gave the Wachowskis free range for the sequels, unlimited runtime l, and Jesus, what a mess.
Any other examples?
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Post by marianne48 on Apr 19, 2021 1:01:32 GMT
I know I'm probably in the minority on this, but I always thought the studio-altered ending of Hitchcock's Suspicion was better
than what Hitchcock had wanted.
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Post by Archelaus on Apr 20, 2021 5:15:25 GMT
Rogue One, arguably. Word on the street was that Disney was not satisfied with the initial cut of the film, and issued extensive reshoots that largely retooled the story, in which Tony Gilroy was hired.
Toy Story 2. Disney's mantra at the time was that sequels to their feature-length films should be produced for a direct-to-video release. However, early story reels proved promising that Disney reversed course and had Toy Story 2 re-scheduled for a theatrical release. Ultimately, it gave Pixar less time to finish the film as they had to compress animation work within less than a year. Still, we got a quality film out of the ordeal.
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 20, 2021 5:41:36 GMT
ARMY OF DARKNESS--the S-mart ending is better than the Rip Van Winkle one.
"Sure, I could have stayed in the past. I could have even been king. But in my own way, I *am* king. Hail to the king, baby."
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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 20, 2021 6:34:10 GMT
ARMY OF DARKNESS--the S-mart ending is better than the Rip Van Winkle one. "Sure, I could have stayed in the past. I could have even been king. But in my own way, I *am* king. Hail to the king, baby." I prefer the Rip Van Winkle one personally. Serves as a good parallel to the ending of II. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 20, 2021 7:18:38 GMT
I prefer the Rip Van Winkle one personally. Serves as a good parallel to the ending of II. I don't agree-he had to be extra stupid to mess up so much like he did.
Plus if they did that, they could have had robots waiting to greet him like the knights in the second movie.
The opening with the S-mart narration makes no sense if they dont include that ending-they might as well leave out the intro with the S-mart.
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Post by mgmarshall on Apr 20, 2021 7:46:33 GMT
I prefer the Rip Van Winkle one personally. Serves as a good parallel to the ending of II. I don't agree-he had to be extra stupid to mess up so much like he did.
Plus if they did that, they could have had robots waiting to greet him like the knights in the second movie.
The opening with the S-mart narration makes no sense if they dont include that ending-they might as well leave out the intro with the S-mart.
Plus, no Ash vs. Evil Dead with the Rip van Winkle ending (although I suppose they kinda did their own version of the Rip van Winkle ending, ultimately...), and I loved the sh*t out of Ash vs. Evil Dead.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 10:09:51 GMT
ARMY OF DARKNESS--the S-mart ending is better than the Rip Van Winkle one. "Sure, I could have stayed in the past. I could have even been king. But in my own way, I *am* king. Hail to the king, baby." I agree. The ending with S-Mart was great. The Rip Van Winkle ending is fun to watch as a deleted scenes, but if it were the real ending, it wouldn’t have been as good. |
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Post by mortsahlfan on Apr 20, 2021 14:27:20 GMT
I can't think of any, but I find this a fascinating thread and will check back for new replies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 15:11:40 GMT
Rogue One, arguably. Word on the street was that Disney was not satisfied with the initial cut of the film, and issued extensive reshoots that largely retooled the story, in which Tony Gilroy was hired. Toy Story 2. Disney's mantra at the time was that sequels to their feature-length films should be produced for a direct-to-video release. However, early story reels proved promising that Disney reversed course and had Toy Story 2 re-scheduled for a theatrical release. Ultimately, it gave Pixar less time to finish the film as they had to compress animation work within less than a year. Still, we got a quality film out of the ordeal. I saw the behind the scenes on Toy Story 2. You’re right. It was going to be a fluff piece VHS sequel. If I remember right (correct me if I’m wrong) but it was going to focus on Andy playing with his new dog he got for Christmas, and now ignoring the toys? Or something like that. So John Lasseter came back to save the franchise. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 20, 2021 15:17:16 GMT
VERTIGO went through some studio fine-tuning.
Hitchcock reportedly decided he did not want the letter scene.
He convinced his collaborators as well--and the studio said no--keep the letter scene in there.
I think it is was right decision because if the letter scene was not there--then the viewer would be thinking
-why is this woman so willing to let him boss her around and change her hair etc?
Plus, this way, when the ending comes, there's more sympathy for her-we already have seen into her mind and know what happened-if we found out the truth at the very end-we would have no time to process it before the nun shows up.
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Post by Archelaus on Apr 20, 2021 15:56:10 GMT
Rogue One, arguably. Word on the street was that Disney was not satisfied with the initial cut of the film, and issued extensive reshoots that largely retooled the story, in which Tony Gilroy was hired. Toy Story 2. Disney's mantra at the time was that sequels to their feature-length films should be produced for a direct-to-video release. However, early story reels proved promising that Disney reversed course and had Toy Story 2 re-scheduled for a theatrical release. Ultimately, it gave Pixar less time to finish the film as they had to compress animation work within less than a year. Still, we got a quality film out of the ordeal. I saw the behind the scenes on Toy Story 2. You’re right. It was going to be a fluff piece VHS sequel. If I remember right (correct me if I’m wrong) but it was going to focus on Andy playing with his new dog he got for Christmas, and now ignoring the toys? Or something like that. So John Lasseter came back to save the franchise. As far as I'm concerned, it was more or less the same story with toy collector Al McWhiggin stealing Woody from a yard sale, but with some differences. Bullseye was going to speak, and instead of Jesse, there was a character named Señorita Cactus.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Apr 21, 2021 11:12:24 GMT
Not so much studio interference but seeing the bigger picture - When meeting with studio exes to discuss The Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson's original intent was to film two movies. Someone brought up there are three books so there should be three movies instead.
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