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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 20, 2021 2:15:39 GMT
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 20, 2021 2:32:39 GMT
I just watched a Dick Cavett interview where Peter Bogdonovich talks about how the studios heavily edited many Orson Welles movies and he specifically mentions The Magnificent Ambersons.
He made it sound like it was a great 3-hour movie in it's full version and the released version is a lesser film, though still a good movie. I agree that the theatrical version is a good movie.
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Post by jcush on Apr 20, 2021 2:35:49 GMT
I just watched a Dick Cavett interview where Peter Bogdonovich was talking about how the studios heavily edited many Orson Welles movies and he specifically mentions The Magnificent Ambersons. Which always seemed odd to me, considering Citizen Kane was his first movie. After that you'd think he's be allowed to do whatever he wanted.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 20, 2021 2:46:15 GMT
I just watched a Dick Cavett interview where Peter Bogdonovich was talking about how the studios heavily edited many Orson Welles movies and he specifically mentions The Magnificent Ambersons. Which always seemed odd to me, considering Citizen Kane was his first movie. After that you'd think he's be allowed to do whatever he wanted. My thoughts exactly.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 20, 2021 3:26:03 GMT
I just watched a Dick Cavett interview where Peter Bogdonovich was talking about how the studios heavily edited many Orson Welles movies and he specifically mentions The Magnificent Ambersons. Which always seemed odd to me, considering Citizen Kane was his first movie. After that you'd think he's be allowed to do whatever he wanted. The problem is that Citizen Kane flopped when it was first released. Welles reportedly had almost full creative control over CK, but after it flopped, RKO became more hands on with his next film.
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Post by jcush on Apr 20, 2021 3:34:36 GMT
Which always seemed odd to me, considering Citizen Kane was his first movie. After that you'd think he's be allowed to do whatever he wanted. The problem is that Citizen Kane flopped when it was first released. Welles reportedly had almost full creative control over CK, but after it flopped, RKO became more hands on with his next film. So I guess they just care about money, because it got a bunch of award nominations.
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Post by mgmarshall on Apr 20, 2021 3:48:32 GMT
I don't think they're ever gonna turn up. The fact that The Other Side of the Wind ever got finished is practically a miracle, and took close to five decades. And they had all of that footage. Nobody still living has even seen the lost reels of The Magnificent Ambersons. You have a better chance of seeing The Day the Clown Cried get a release.
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Post by millar70 on Apr 20, 2021 21:03:05 GMT
Ambersons was totally mangled by RKO after Orson Welles was sent to Brazil to help the US government with maintaining good relations with the US at the time of WWII.
Orson's film was considered way too much of a downer, so while he was gone, the studio cut out around 35-45 minutes and actually filmed two new added on scenes which totally changed the ending into a sappy feel good Hollywood ending. They even tacked on lighter music in those scenes, which caused Bernard Herrmann to demand that his name be taken off the credits.
A total travesty to both Welles and Herrmann.
The film that was released is still pretty incredible, I actually enjoy it more than Citizen Kane. However, I do skip the last 15 minutes or so. Basically after you see George Amberson praying to God, turn it off. That's when Orson's film ends.
It would be so cool to be able to see the lost footage. I've heard rumors of how the movie really turns out, and it does seem incredibly depressing, but I'm all for finally seeing what Orson Welles really wanted to show us.
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