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Post by vegalyra on May 1, 2021 1:53:10 GMT
I've never seen Captain Marvel, but I'd pick Roadhouse for the '64 and '65 Buick Rivieras.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 1:53:33 GMT
That’s a very narrow minded way to think of things. Alien T2: Judgment Day Wonder Woman (2017) Those are examples of strong female leads. Real feminism. Captain Marvel is fake, female feminist crap. Just like Mulan (2020) So why do you call it feminist crap? What element of "feminism" compared to the other films you mention make that aspect of it crap? Mary Sue female characters with no hurdles. They are just awesome females and men are bad. In the aforementioned films, the women have story arcs. They struggle, they have to grow as a character. They aren’t just the “chosen” one. They fail, they rise up, they succeed. They have flaws, but they use their strengths to help them. Women have strengths men don’t have, and men have strengths women don’t have. They work together. As men and women should. In the two “fake feminist” films. Mulan has special powers. In the animated film, she has to train, work hard, use her wits etc... to overcome. A real inspiration to women that they can accomplish anything with real hard work and determination. In the live action Mulan, the message is “as long as you’re the chose one. You can”. Same with Capitan Marvel. In Wonder Woman (2017) she has to train hard as a young warrior to grow and become who she is. As the movie unfolds, she has to learn about mankind. The sequel 1984 turns into a Mary Sue revisionist crapfest. Now she only loses as a kid because of a technicality. Apparently she could have beat all the grown Amazons all along because she’s the chosen one, then what was all the point of that training in the original? In “Ghostbusters” (2016) the women are all intelligent and running the world. All men are evil or idiots. Kevin the secretary is a bumbling dumb blonde. Compare that to Janine in the 1984 version. She’s intelligent. She basically runs the place and the joke is she is underpaid and has “quit better jobs than this”. Dana is a strong independent female who lives on her own. The men and women are equals. In the 2016 version, the mayor is an idiot and his assistant is the brains. The villain is an evil white male. My son is 10 years old. He even said “why are men so stupid?” While trying to bring up women and say they are superior, you’re alienating little boys. Making them wonder why they’re so bad? |
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Post by Fox in the Snow on May 1, 2021 2:00:41 GMT
Captain Marvel was just passable (5/10), but then I'm not generally a fan of superhero/comic book films. Roadhouse I've not seen, but it looks pretty ridiculous, or at least not something I'd really appreciate.
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Post by moviemouth on May 1, 2021 2:06:11 GMT
Neither is a particularly good movie so any choice would like be a total preference thing. Really though, this is a odd comparison and feels too much like bait...and the fish are definitely biting. Of course it's bait. Still fun though. Not as much bait as Wild Wild West vs. American Graffiti.
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Post by sostie on May 1, 2021 2:18:37 GMT
So why do you call it feminist crap? What element of "feminism" compared to the other films you mention make that aspect of it crap? Mary Sue female characters with no hurdles. They are just awesome females and men are bad. In the two “fake feminist” films. Mulan has special powers. In the animated film, she has to train, work hard, use her wits etc... to overcome. A real inspiration to women that they can accomplish anything with real hard work and determination. In the live action Mulan, the message is “as long as you’re the chose one. You can”. Same with Capitan Marvel. That is not entirely true of Captain Marvel at all. Throughout the film we see Danvers, including in flashbacks, overcome hurdles through perseverance and training - whether as a child, a pilot or a Kree. Yes she gains special powers, but only in the last act of the film - and how does she get them? In an accident. How did she get in that situation? She trained to become an accomplished and trusted pilot and whilst carrying out those duties was involved in said accident. She was heroic, battling the odds and improving herself, before she realised she had those powers.
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Post by stefancrosscoe on May 1, 2021 12:13:07 GMT
Never seen (nor will I do), Captain Marvel, but Road House, well, I have already said what I think of this late 80s action film:
Road House is a true late 80s manly cult-classic, which I just recently re-watched and still enjoyed very much.
"Take the biggest guy in the world, shatter his knee and he'll drop like a stone."
It has that classic western-action approach, and where a small town and its citizens is completely overrun by a sleazy and sadistic villain and his way of doing "business" is by usual having his hired muscle and goons do the dirty work. But now all of a sudden he is up against a lonely stranger, and someone who might actually become a real threat, and who is also not afraid of a fight, and by the way is quite a deep thinker as well.
Bottles of broken glass, bloody noses, titties and sweat usually tend to fly around at the Double Deuce, and then suddenly you have Mr. Cool, the legendary bouncer that is James Dalton (Swayze) arrive and takes one quick look at how the business is being handled, and that means bad news for a lot of the violent customers, yet also for those who work there as well, as Dalton means serious business, and it is his way or the highway!
Such a enjoyable and bad ass movie, where you pretty much knew that it was gonna be something special when the name of Joel Silver arrives, and I think Swayze handled himself really well in this kind of hard hitting action adventure, and of course it helps by having people like Ben Gazzara, Sam Elliot and Kelly Lynch among the many talents as well.
The re-watchability is all there, lots of of memorable scenes, quotes, characters and great music, so for me it was a very fitting kind of movie to enjoy on a late night friday, and surely not the last time I will visit the Double Deuce for some great entertainment:
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