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Post by blade on May 14, 2017 19:48:26 GMT
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Post by drystyx on May 14, 2017 19:58:24 GMT
I'm a true moderate on abortions, but I'd rather not have them be "loved" as they are by the extremists here.
That's why I believe there should be abortion clinics funded by the government, but they shouldn't be based on "demand". Only on population.
Each population center of say 5,000,000 should have one.
However, each clinic should be given the exact same pay no matter what their output.
A clinic that does a thousand abortions in a day and screams about overtime should get exactly zero more dollars, and each employee should get zero more pay than those whose clinic does two abortions and then everyone goes to the track or park or gym and have their time.
The reason being that the clinic workers will not have an incentive to perform abortions. Thus, we get the employees searching for every other alternative first. Okay, we'll still have a few nut jobs who just love the control over life and death performing abortions for fun, but it will be at a minimum. Meanwhile, there are women who are in desperate situations, impoverished, worrying about being homeless, their kids going hungry, and no possibility of adoption.
I'm not speaking of the woman who just wants to get a college degree, though. Even if she is a rape victim, it's the same as victims of other crimes who have to live with injuries. They aren't allowed to take it out on other human beings.
So, it's a mistake not to have an abortion clinic.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 14, 2017 20:06:51 GMT
I'm sure that'll magically stop people from getting abortions
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 20:11:08 GMT
Good day to be a back-street abortionist in Kentucky!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 14, 2017 20:15:32 GMT
They couldn't have come up with better examples than these?
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 14, 2017 20:15:47 GMT
Good day to be a back-street abortionist in Kentucky! Or just drive to Tennessee
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Post by Commander_Jim on May 14, 2017 20:18:22 GMT
I'm driving to Kentucky with all the coat hangers I can fit in my car. I'm gonna get rich!
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Post by blade on May 14, 2017 20:52:46 GMT
I'm driving to Kentucky with all the coat hangers I can fit in my car. I'm gonna get rich! Good thinking we wouldnt want to deprive those poor mothers of their right to kill their unborn babies. They might have a nervous breakdown.
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Post by gadreel on May 14, 2017 21:12:50 GMT
I'm driving to Kentucky with all the coat hangers I can fit in my car. I'm gonna get rich! Good thinking we wouldnt want to deprive those poor mothers of their right to kill their unborn babies. They might have a nervous breakdown. we would not want to give women autonomous rights over their own bodies would we, imagine soon they might think they are allowed to speak in public. I notice you avoided the question of the quickening, but then I clearly scare you as you ignore all the points I make that destroy your child like arguments.
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Post by phludowin on May 14, 2017 21:32:35 GMT
I'm driving to Kentucky with all the coat hangers I can fit in my car. I'm gonna get rich! I have a better idea: RU-486. Safer, better results. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the anti-choice activists are secretly cheered on by pharmacists.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 14, 2017 21:52:27 GMT
No abortion clinic doesn't necessarily mean no legal abortions in KY.
The one in Lexington was supposedly shut down due to it being dirty.
It also wasn;t labeled an abortion clinic which apparently has different rules per Bevin than an actual women's clinic. The owner, who owned the Louisville one too admitted that it only did abortions.
This fight has been going on since bevin took office.
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Post by dividavi on May 14, 2017 23:59:22 GMT
No abortion clinic doesn't necessarily mean no legal abortions in KY. The one in Lexington was supposedly shut down due to it being dirty. It also wasn;t labeled an abortion clinic which apparently has different rules per Bevin than an actual women's clinic. The owner, who owned the Louisville one too admitted that it only did abortions. This fight has been going on since bevin took office. Gee, Smith, you're on an anti-abortion roll. Whenever the word gets mentioned, or implied, you turn up to defend those trying to take away the right to abortion. You like to pretend that nothing serious is happening when some imbecilic legislature passes some crazy law. That's what you're doing now? Hey, Smith, you might remember your question to me in the old IMDB forum about why I cared so much about Antonin Scalia's replacement since I would not be personally affected. I answered you back then and I asked why you show up whenever there's an abortion or gay rights controversy to minimize some barbaric stricture. So, Smith, once again, why do you care so much about an issue that doesn't affect you and about which you don't care?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 15, 2017 0:13:07 GMT
dividavi I'm not defending anything and if your memory was at least half as decent as you pretend it is you would know that I routinely call my governor an idiot Trump wannabe. I live in Lexington and so have known the story for a year. The local story is always more detailed than the national one. I'm not sure what I said that made you think I thought this was a good thing unless the clinic actually did close down for being filthy. That is a good thing. Although it's true that abortion sucks you have never heard me say anything about wanting to take away abortions. I'll even give you five whole dollars if you can prove I did. I want abortions to end by good old fashion market demand decreasing. I don't remember this. I don't know where you are so I need context as to why I would ever care about you caring about Scalia. Actually why did I care about Scalia's replacement? To be clear, we are not affecting anything discussing it on a free religion board. However, the simplest and most basic for anything is that I have a right to have an opinion on anything I wish to have an opinion on. That said, I'm thinking you are confused about what my opinions were in the first place. Maybe Rabbit can re quote what I said in the old thread since all of this is drawing a blank.
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Post by dividavi on May 15, 2017 2:39:58 GMT
Oh yes, I remember what you said about Trump and your governor. I'm aware that the clinic in Lexington was closed by the actions of your governor and state legislature. I know from experience that you pro-lifers are a bunch of liars and religious fanatics so it's overwhelmingly likely this cleanliness issue is fraudulent and an excuse to shut it down. It's clear you have no problems with that shutdown no matter the purported cause.
Your constant chatter about "killing pre-kids" shows you to be a liar. Your ridicule of women for being fearful of anti-abortion protesters was laughingly portrayed by you as being "insufficiently brave". As a churchy liar, your claims and sneaky wording (about what you want) impress me not at all.
I do remember and I said something negative about the recently deceased judge. Then you jumped in and asked how I would personally be affected. By the way, you also were a committed supporter of Brendan Eich. That was a gay rights thing and he got boycotted as Mozilla CEO for having supported California's Prop 8. Remember now, you stupid churchy liar? I sure do.
I'm not confused. You're another example of a churchy liar trying to appear moderate, thoughtful and sophisticated.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 9:48:06 GMT
Hey, Smith, you might remember your question to me in the old IMDB forum about why I cared so much about Antonin Scalia's replacement since I would not be personally affected. I answered you back then and I asked why you show up whenever there's an abortion or gay rights controversy to minimize some barbaric stricture. So, Smith, once again, why do you care so much about an issue that doesn't affect you and about which you don't care? I believe this is the thread in question dividavi: Antonin Scalia Has Died. Not all the posts are there,nothing mentioned by Smithy about Scalia's replacement. Smithy said nothing to you about commenting on issues that don't affect you,however he did ask this question of PD(PoisonedDragon) "What did he do to you PD?" However Simthys standard MO about minimising the damage done by certain right wing Christians is plain to see: And here's PD calling him on it: Then we have Smithy saying this to PD:
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 15, 2017 11:43:26 GMT
dividaviSo you are admitting to lying about me or that you're stupid. Either one works for me. Heck, it could be both! Again, the only way I could get more clearer about my views is to start writing as if I'm speaking to stupid people. Do you want me to start speaking like that to help you understand better? What did you say about him? Anyway, unlike you, I am a champion of free speech, & I distinctly remember saying, as I've always said, that a person is entitled to think as they wish and especially if what they think has no relation to their job. Has Mozilla been beating gay people recently? Now if you think that free speech rights are a sign a person is homophobic, then that would mean...Well, you already now, but just in case,...that would make you stupid. Are you stupid?
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Post by cupcakes on May 15, 2017 14:05:44 GMT
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Post by drystyx on May 15, 2017 14:07:59 GMT
dividavi I'm not defending anything and if your memory was at least half as decent as you pretend it is you would know that I routinely call my governor an idiot Trump wannabe. I live in Lexington and so have known the story for a year. The local story is always more detailed than the national one. I'm not sure what I said that made you think I thought this was a good thing unless the clinic actually did close down for being filthy. That is a good thing. Although it's true that abortion sucks you have never heard me say anything about wanting to take away abortions. I'll even give you five whole dollars if you can prove I did. I want abortions to end by good old fashion market demand decreasing. I don't remember this. I don't know where you are so I need context as to why I would ever care about you caring about Scalia. Actually why did I care about Scalia's replacement? To be clear, we are not affecting anything discussing it on a free religion board. However, the simplest and most basic for anything is that I have a right to have an opinion on anything I wish to have an opinion on. That said, I'm thinking you are confused about what my opinions were in the first place. Maybe Rabbit can re quote what I said in the old thread since all of this is drawing a blank. Someone else here lived in Kentucky. I lived in Louisville most of my life, and in Frankfort from about 2008 to about 2015 as I recall.
I worked at Keeneland, cashing and selling tickets, till I got in an argument with security, and it was caused purposely by management. Any way, maybe I sold you a ticket, or cashed one. I worked at Churchill for a while, but their management is the worst, so now I work at Turfway and Ellis, and make trips to Brown Jug in Ohio and Pimlico in Baltimore, sometimes New York and other places.
I lived close to Cove Spring Park in Frankfort, the best kept secret in the state. It was awesome. Went there to jog the flat side or hike the mountainous side at least 3 times a week. Really miss it.
Any way, about the rabid foaming mouth person who screams all church goers are liars. Lunatics like that one are what cost good Democrats presidential elections, scaring moderates to the other side. Seen it too often. Obama kept them a bit on a leash, but they're true sickos, and couldn't be better spies for Rush Limbaugh if they tried.
The truth is that the leading Republican office holders are lying. Their constituents have honest goals, but the Republican leaders are not Christians by any definition. They use Christians.
That said, I stand by my original moderate idea that abortion centers should be clean and based on population, not demand. A center that performs one a month should get the same pay for every employee as one that does a thousand a day. The incentive should be on doing quality, not quantity. No overtime pay. They will have incentive to check out other options, and abortion is the last option.
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Post by cupcakes on May 16, 2017 3:53:28 GMT
tpfkar I really only collect aesthetically pleasing quips & quotes, Smith the moneychanger's being no exception. Maybe you'd have a better chance w/Sulla given his rep, but I really don't know what he might keep. Disowning for having a different belief would be silly although being a hateful, lowdown dirty, resenful atheist livng in my house could get you the boot at 18. It's best not to bite the hand that feeds you.
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Post by Marv on May 16, 2017 4:15:38 GMT
Lotta stairs in Kentucky.
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