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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 15, 2021 14:28:39 GMT
and jon realized it at the end ....he should come back an finish him of anyway thats not brandon he died in the cave /
maybe jamie although he didnt know was doing everyone a favor season 1.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 19, 2021 0:55:45 GMT
Being evil would require too much personality for Bran.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 22, 2021 15:21:44 GMT
Being evil would require too much personality for Bran. his personality sucked .sorry just not a fan of his at all .
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Post by shinnickneth on Jun 7, 2021 15:19:21 GMT
and jon realized it at the end ....he should come back an finish him of anyway thats not brandon he died in the cave / maybe jamie although he didnt know was doing everyone a favor season 1. There were theories among book readers for years that Bran would end up being a puppet to Bloodraven (aka the Three-Eyed Crow/Raven), who would control him for his own sinister purposes. This didn't end up happening of course. I think show Bran is just detached being by the end of the series - more like a spectator to his own life - then evil. To be honest, I didn't mind him becoming king at the end. I just wish they didn't write him as being so aloof. It didn't make sense as the former Three-Eyed Raven didn't end up like that. It never became clear why Bran did.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jun 27, 2021 19:09:06 GMT
and jon realized it at the end ....he should come back an finish him of anyway thats not brandon he died in the cave / maybe jamie although he didnt know was doing everyone a favor season 1. There were theories among book readers for years that Bran would end up being a puppet to Bloodraven (aka the Three-Eyed Crow/Raven), who would control him for his own sinister purposes. This didn't end up happening of course. I think show Bran is just detached being by the end of the series - more like a spectator to his own life - then evil. To be honest, I didn't mind him becoming king at the end. I just wish they didn't write him as being so aloof. It didn't make sense as the former Three-Eyed Raven didn't end up like that. It never became clear why Bran did. i dont know i find him to be very strange , and even meera admitted he was not the same and that bran died in the cave , will know what writers true intentions are for bran when and if he ever decides to finish the books..lol
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 1, 2021 9:33:02 GMT
There were theories among book readers for years that Bran would end up being a puppet to Bloodraven (aka the Three-Eyed Crow/Raven), who would control him for his own sinister purposes. This didn't end up happening of course. I think show Bran is just detached being by the end of the series - more like a spectator to his own life - then evil. To be honest, I didn't mind him becoming king at the end. I just wish they didn't write him as being so aloof. It didn't make sense as the former Three-Eyed Raven didn't end up like that. It never became clear why Bran did. i dont know i find him to be very strange , and even meera admitted he was not the same and that bran died in the cave , will know what writers true intentions are for bran when and if he ever decides to finish the books..lol I don't think anyone understands the outcome around Bran, which is a clear sign of the writing no longer making sense. We should expect Martin's version to have enough logic for people to come up with an explanation but the show has given up on this and it seems the only intention left was to surprise people with things they will debate forever without getting anywhere. There has been talk of the idea of the "philosopher king", whose all encompassing knowledge would make the best possible ruler but we do not see Bran rule. We see him leave business to the council, as Robert was shown to do in the first season. Before that, he is made to say he doesn't want to be king, as if that were a guarantee of a better rule, which is nonsense. Someone who doesn't want a job is not the best choice for it. This is another parallel to Robert, who got busy locating wine, whores or boars instead of ruling, depending on who you'd ask. Here is an interesting video trying to explain what the show could have made more visible if it had bothered to: It goes astray when stating that an elective rule is better than a hereditary one. The very existence of choice is the root of strife, as Roman history constantly shows. Roman emperors were chosen, not born into office, and the result was a long list of civil wars. The acceptance of heredity was the stabilising factor that helped build political unity over lands that kept growing larger as the middle ages went on and the same principle led to the return of the English royal family to power after the Cromwell period. That family is still in place today, thanks to its willingness to yield actual power to a parlementary structure. This structure reintroduces choice but at a fragmented level which no longer leaves internal war as a means of resolution. All in all, however, both the choice and the effect of Bran as king remain unsatisfactory through the way the show rushes through it and the magically tainted pre-knowledge of it all cheapens it.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jul 6, 2021 20:57:22 GMT
i dont know i find him to be very strange , and even meera admitted he was not the same and that bran died in the cave , will know what writers true intentions are for bran when and if he ever decides to finish the books..lol I don't think anyone understands the outcome around Bran, which is a clear sign of the writing no longer making sense. We should expect Martin's version to have enough logic for people to come up with an explanation but the show has given up on this and it seems the only intention left was to surprise people with things they will debate forever without getting anywhere. There has been talk of the idea of the "philosopher king", whose all encompassing knowledge would make the best possible ruler but we do not see Bran rule. We see him leave business to the council, as Robert was shown to do in the first season. Before that, he is made to say he doesn't want to be king, as if that were a guarantee of a better rule, which is nonsense. Someone who doesn't want a job is not the best choice for it. This is another parallel to Robert, who got busy locating wine, whores or boars instead of ruling, depending on who you'd ask. Here is an interesting video trying to explain what the show could have made more visible if it had bothered to: It goes astray when stating that an elective rule is better than a hereditary one. The very existence of choice is the root of strife, as Roman history constantly shows. Roman emperors were chosen, not born into office, and the result was a long list of civil wars. The acceptance of heredity was the stabilising factor that helped build political unity over lands that kept growing larger as the middle ages went on and the same principle led to the return of the English royal family to power after the Cromwell period. That family is still in place today, thanks to its willingness to yield actual power to a parlementary structure. This structure reintroduces choice but at a fragmented level which no longer leaves internal war as a means of resolution. All in all, however, both the choice and the effect of Bran as king remain unsatisfactory through the way the show rushes through it and the magically tainted pre-knowledge of it all cheapens it. Leo under that scenario lannisters would have stayed in power but only survivor was tyrion ..i know you think of him as traitor and dont like him but would you liked if he was king instead of bran?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 8, 2021 15:36:40 GMT
Leo under that scenario lannisters would have stayed in power but only survivor was tyrion ..i know you think of him as traitor and dont like him but would you liked if he was king instead of bran? I don't like the idea of Tyrion as king any better. Sansa Lannister would have been a valid choice but she wanted to go back home so I guess the better solution really was Edmure Tully after all. He was married with a child and the ability to have more for succession purposes. But the only reasonable development after the fall of King's Landing was a split of the kingdoms back to their old structure within natural borders. The destroyed city could have started anew as a trade harbour but not as a capital.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 12, 2021 2:38:18 GMT
Evil, no. Indifferent, sure. One of those rulers who doesn't seem emotionally attached to anything.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jul 14, 2021 16:21:23 GMT
Leo under that scenario lannisters would have stayed in power but only survivor was tyrion ..i know you think of him as traitor and dont like him but would you liked if he was king instead of bran? I don't like the idea of Tyrion as king any better. Sansa Lannister would have been a valid choice but she wanted to go back home so I guess the better solution really was Edmure Tully after all. He was married with a child and the ability to have more for succession purposes. But the only reasonable development after the fall of King's Landing was a split of the kingdoms back to their old structure within natural borders. The destroyed city could have started anew as a trade harbour but not as a capital. they had sansa tell edmure to shut up at the council meeting .
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jul 14, 2021 16:23:19 GMT
Evil, no. Indifferent, sure. One of those rulers who doesn't seem emotionally attached to anything. he knew everything that was going to happen and yet he didnt do much to stop anything or warn them what the WW had in plan he can see a lot more he was letting on
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 15, 2021 4:10:36 GMT
Evil, no. Indifferent, sure. One of those rulers who doesn't seem emotionally attached to anything. he knew everything that was going to happen and yet he didnt do much to stop anything or warn them what the WW had in plan he can see a lot more he was letting on He's probably in the camp of no matter what you say or how much he warns, fate cannot be altered. Or he maybe sees worse things happening if he does.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 15, 2021 19:37:28 GMT
He's probably in the camp of no matter what you say or how much he warns, fate cannot be altered. Or he maybe sees worse things happening if he does. To add to that, he would recall what happened when he did interfere with the order of things (Hodor becoming Hodor, the Three-Eyed Raven getting killed, the White Walkers being able to move pass the Wall). I can see him just accepting whatever happens after all that.
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Post by Marv on Jul 31, 2021 1:09:16 GMT
He's one of several horribly fumbled character arcs. When they left him out of season 5...i think...its like they had no idea how to continue his story.
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Post by shinnickneth on Aug 2, 2021 23:42:36 GMT
He's one of several horribly fumbled character arcs. When they left him out of season 5...i think...its like they had no idea how to continue his story. I sometimes wonder how much better things would have been if GRRM stayed with the show beyond season 4. They needed him even if was just to write for Tyrion. The character lost all his wit after the show went beyond the books.
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Post by stickman38 on Jun 30, 2022 1:11:47 GMT
Evil, no. Indifferent, sure. One of those rulers who doesn't seem emotionally attached to anything. he knew everything that was going to happen and yet he didnt do much to stop anything or warn them what the WW had in plan he can see a lot more he was letting on Actually, I'm quite certain that Bran can only see into the past. Which is why the Night King wanted to kill him, it was so he could basically erase all the human history from this world. They even talked about this before the battle of the dead versus the living.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jun 30, 2022 13:04:22 GMT
Everything that happened in Westeros all went according to Bran`s plan
It was his long way to the throne.
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Post by Winter_King on Jul 4, 2022 9:59:48 GMT
He's one of several horribly fumbled character arcs. When they left him out of season 5...i think...its like they had no idea how to continue his story. To be fair, he's the least interesting character in the books IMO.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jul 4, 2022 14:29:05 GMT
He's one of several horribly fumbled character arcs. When they left him out of season 5...i think...its like they had no idea how to continue his story. To be fair, he's the least interesting character in the books IMO. Brandon Stark is the main character, the one whose chapter starts the first book after the prologue and the one who is meant to end it all with some flatulent concept of wisdom through vision of the pre-determined. This alone shows the futile hack the writer of the books really is. It shows that the series did not even have to be ruined by mass mockery to end badly. The original will be equally disappointing.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jul 4, 2022 20:15:12 GMT
To be fair, he's the least interesting character in the books IMO. Less so than book Brienne and Penny?
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