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Post by OldSamVimes on May 23, 2021 6:48:07 GMT
Yes...mental anguish trying to please an imaginary god. Martin Luther struggled with this...he never thought himself 'good enough.' So he decided the Bible taught that you couldn't ever be 'good enough' but that you could just 'be justified' by believing certain things (having faith). Of course, that leads to the next dilemma...what if what you believe is wrong? Faith is easy to have, it's what one has faith IN that seems to determine whether they're 'ok' with God. So they're back to the same conundrum...how to make sure you're believing the right things. And if 'doing' the right things and 'believing' the right thing isn't important, then what's the pt of worrying about pleasing a god...imaginary or otherwise. I wonder how many people actually are convinced there is a God and aren't just knowingly using it as an imaginary crutch. People who are convinced there are 'Gods' are as ignorant as people who are convinced there's 'No Gods'. Open minded people are open to possibilities.
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Post by moviemouth on May 23, 2021 6:52:26 GMT
I wonder how many people actually are convinced there is a God and aren't just knowingly using it as an imaginary crutch. People who are convinced there are 'Gods' are as ignorant as people who are convinced there's 'No Gods'. Open minded people are open to possibilities. I won't argue too much there, though I think that the NO GODS position is more reasonable. I am more towards hard atheism than agnostic. I hard atheist can still be open to possibilities though.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 23, 2021 6:55:36 GMT
People who are convinced there are 'Gods' are as ignorant as people who are convinced there's 'No Gods'. Open minded people are open to possibilities. I won't argue too much there, though I think that the NO GODS position is more reasonable. Whatever gives your life meaning. I prefer people worship higher ideals than power, money and possessions. Materialism is a shitty foundation for a society.
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Post by moviemouth on May 23, 2021 7:00:01 GMT
I won't argue too much there, though I think that the NO GODS position is more reasonable. Whatever gives your life meaning. I prefer people worship higher ideals than power, money and possessions. Materialism is a shitty foundation for a society. It has nothing to do with meaning or materialism or money or power. I don't care about any of that. My disbelief has nothing to do with my ideals, the few I have. I am a soft nihilist. I don't believe in meaning.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 23, 2021 7:03:22 GMT
Whatever gives your life meaning. I prefer people worship higher ideals than power, money and possessions. Materialism is a shitty foundation for a society. It has nothing to do with meaning or materialism or money or power. I don't care about any of that. My disbelief has nothing to do with my ideals, the few I have. I am a soft nihilist. I don't believe in meaning. Ironically, not 'believing in meaning' must be providing some sort of meaning for you, otherwise it wouldn't be working for you.
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Post by moviemouth on May 23, 2021 7:09:20 GMT
It has nothing to do with meaning or materialism or money or power. I don't care about any of that. My disbelief has nothing to do with my ideals, the few I have. I am a soft nihilist. I don't believe in meaning.Ironically, not 'believing in meaning' must be providing some sort of meaning for you, otherwise it wouldn't be working for you. That is why I said a soft nihilist, A full nihilist is nonsensical. I mean that I don't believe in any meaning to existence outside of the person observing it. I don't believe in large scale meaning. There are things in life I find some meaning in, but if I die tomorrow it won't much bother me. I believe it is impossible for a fully cognitive human being to not find meaning in anything.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 23, 2021 7:16:30 GMT
Ironically, not 'believing in meaning' must be providing some sort of meaning for you, otherwise it wouldn't be working for you. That is why I said a soft nihilist, A full nihilist is nonsensical. I mean that I don't believe in any meaning to existence outside of the person observing it. I don't believe in large scale meaning. There are things in life I find some meaning in, but if I die tomorrow it won't much bother me.I believe it is impossible for a fully cognitive human being to not find meaning in anything. I think it's good to be fine with death, IMO that makes you more 'spiritually evolved' than many so-called religious people. I don't think there needs to be any large scale meaning either. It all has about as much meaning as a fireworks display.
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Post by moviemouth on May 23, 2021 7:21:42 GMT
That is why I said a soft nihilist, A full nihilist is nonsensical. I mean that I don't believe in any meaning to existence outside of the person observing it. I don't believe in large scale meaning. There are things in life I find some meaning in, but if I die tomorrow it won't much bother me.I believe it is impossible for a fully cognitive human being to not find meaning in anything. I think it's good to be fine with death, IMO that makes you more 'spiritually evolved' than many so-called religious people. I don't think there needs to be any large scale meaning either. It all has about as much meaning as a fireworks display. Well the reason is because I don't much care for life anymore, so I don't know if that can qualify as "spiritually evolved." I am just tired of living. I like to be completely honest when talking about this kind of stuff.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 23, 2021 7:26:34 GMT
I think it's good to be fine with death, IMO that makes you more 'spiritually evolved' than many so-called religious people. I don't think there needs to be any large scale meaning either. It all has about as much meaning as a fireworks display. Well the reason is because I don't much care for life anymore, so I don't know if that can qualify as "spiritually evolved." I am just tired of living. I like to be completely honest when talking about this kind of stuff. Have you had a long, fulfilling life? If so, I could see that. Our bodies get old and break down, probably end up feeling like a prison.
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Post by moviemouth on May 23, 2021 7:31:08 GMT
Well the reason is because I don't much care for life anymore, so I don't know if that can qualify as "spiritually evolved." I am just tired of living. I like to be completely honest when talking about this kind of stuff.
If so, I could see that. Our bodies get old and break down, probably end up feeling like a prison. Not really. I just am bored of everything. I am only 38. Maybe 40 years or so is enough for me.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 23, 2021 7:39:06 GMT
Have you had a long, fulfilling life?
If so, I could see that. Our bodies get old and break down, probably end up feeling like a prison. Not really. I just am bored of everything. I am only 38. Maybe 40 years or so is enough for me. I guess being a 'soft nihilist' isn't for me. In the context of Vedanta philosophy, I believe in all the Gods. I'm 50 and feel a sense of awe in Existence. Cosmology, quantum physics, DMT.. there's too many things we don't understand for me to be disengaged.
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Post by moviemouth on May 23, 2021 7:48:16 GMT
Not really. I just am bored of everything. I am only 38. Maybe 40 years or so is enough for me. I guess being a 'soft nihilist' isn't for me. In the context of Vedanta philosophy, I believe in all the Gods. I'm 50 and feel a sense of awe in Existence. Cosmology, quantum physics, DMT.. there's too many things we don't understand for me to be disengaged. Nihilism isn't something I chose. I am not one of those people who takes that position because it is edgy or something. I had been trying to find a label for what I would consider my outlook on life and that comes closest. Second is absurdism and that might be closer. I don't know anything for certain obviously, besides René Descartes famous quote - "I exist, therefor I am," and the laws of logic. Those I am 99.9% convinced are true.
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Post by rizdek on May 23, 2021 11:40:40 GMT
My goodness...how tall was Jesus? About 7'. Trump is 6'3"... Another one of his many, many, many lies.
That image still puts Jesus at almost 7' tall unless Jesus is also wearing lifts....really big lifts.
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Post by ginosayshey on May 23, 2021 11:58:54 GMT
Another one of his many, many, many lies.
That image still puts Jesus at almost 7' tall unless Jesus is also wearing lifts....really big lifts.
I guess that the purpose of the image is to make Jesus look "fatherly" and "godly". 
Jesus was probably not taller than 5' 9".
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 24, 2021 7:11:40 GMT
Do morons who follow Trump news need to drag that shit everywhere?
I get it. He's Hitler. You're virtuous.
Fuck off with it. This is the religion forum.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 24, 2021 14:10:03 GMT
Do morons who follow Trump news need to drag that shit everywhere? I get it. He's Hitler. You're virtuous. Fuck off with it. This is the religion forum. I actually do wish people would stop talking about him, make him irrelevant and less likely to run again (though at this point he probably wouldn't have much chance of winning anyways)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 4:39:13 GMT
"Blaming God for suffering is silly"
Don't religions, nearly universally, already teach that? That's exactly what I was thinking. Every religious I know are all encouraged to embrace their suffering for God and to be even closer to him as a result.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Jul 11, 2021 15:19:31 GMT
Confirmation bias:
Seventy year old twins go to the doctor with Covid. The doctor gives them each a 50% chance of survival Both pray every night in the hospital. One of them dies. The one who survives is able to testify that prayer helped him to survive. The one who died is unable to testify that prayer doesn't do diddley-squat.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 13, 2021 21:54:47 GMT
It doesn't make sense to blame God for suffering and woes. God tells us that he created evil (or 'misfortune' as some translations would have it) in Isiah so it is reasonable to take this as an admission of responsibility for 'natural evil' at the very least.
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