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Post by OldSamVimes on May 17, 2021 13:43:17 GMT
It doesn't make sense to blame God for suffering and woes.
If you blame a 'God', you place the suffering and woes in a different context since you don't have Gods without any afterlife or spiritual dimension.
If a 'God' or 'Gods' exist for you to blame for your woes, then your woes aren't so bad since God or Gods exist.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 17, 2021 14:23:13 GMT
Of course its silly blaming God for suffering.
God don`t exist, and blaming something that don`t exist for suffering is silly.
I mean you can just as well blame Donald Duck for suffering.
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Post by Isapop on May 17, 2021 14:45:36 GMT
"Blaming God for suffering is silly"
Don't religions, nearly universally, already teach that?
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Post by Catman on May 17, 2021 16:47:36 GMT
Seriously. The lagomorphs are the ones behind all the suffering in the world.
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Post by drystyx on May 17, 2021 18:09:27 GMT
True. Which leads to the reality of Gnosticism, which leads to the reality that the malevolent power will always sabotage any attempt to organize a legitimate and logical Gnostic church. We see this with the division of mankind.
The divisiveness of human beings is actually proof of the malevolent evil power or powers, and the fact that they aren't making this a Hell 100% of the time proves there are some less powerful good forces at work.
Most religions, if not all, have the most understanding and logic when the Gnostic nature is applied to them. However, as stated before, we know the demonic principalities always work to sabotage coordination and unity of Gnostic truth. When you live a world of confusion, the only truth is that principalities are sabotaging and confusing the truth.
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Post by drystyx on May 17, 2021 21:34:43 GMT
True. Which leads to the reality of Gnosticism, which leads to the reality that the malevolent power will always sabotage any attempt to organize a legitimate and logical Gnostic church. We see this with the division of mankind. The divisiveness of human beings is actually proof of the malevolent evil power or powers, and the fact that they aren't making this a Hell 100% of the time proves there are some less powerful good forces at work. Most religions, if not all, have the most understanding and logic when the Gnostic nature is applied to them. However, as stated before, we know the demonic principalities always work to sabotage coordination and unity of Gnostic truth. When you live a world of confusion, the only truth is that principalities are sabotaging and confusing the truth. Oh, it is not. It human beings being human beings. When "good people" do bad things, it's not the fault of "evil powers," it's their fault. Certainly the deliberate actions are the fault of people. Most tragedies are the results of less deliberate actions. When people deliberately worship the evil principalities, which is what they do when they deliberately do evil. That's called "being possessed", and the person who is possessed deliberately is at fault. So is the demonic principality that possesses the person. One can point a finger at the other and say each get half the blame, but in truth, each gets double the blame for being double in evil. The more in a "mob", the more each member is to blame, because that is more power that each member of a mob gives to the evil principality. We're all constantly attacked by those evil principalities, because "mobs" put them into such positions of power. There are no good angels in this world that I ever met. Only evil ones. That's how much power they've acquired thanks to the mobs throughout History, and especially today. People today actually think they can be part of a mob vote to play God over other people. Being attacked by those demons, every whim we feel has to be suspect. I'm no different than anyone else. I've felt those whims: believing someone is evil because of a look on his face, when the look on his face is most likely just the Sun in his eyes or smoke from someone else's cigarette; demons also cause poor timing that lead to stressful situations; mostly the demonic forces influence people into poor decisions from what they believe are "insights" or "intuitions" or "karma induced decisions" (one has to admit there's no other explanation for Donald Trump to get more than a dozen votes in the very first primary race in 2016). We're not dealing with "natural intuition" or even "natural selection" with the demons in force. Add to that the misinformation age of internet, when people can find anything to appease whatever they want to believe. Want to believe marijuana cures everything? You can sanction that on internet fact finding. Want to believe marijuana is a horrible health hazard? You can sanction that on internet fact finding. There are no "facts", just the demon of confusion. Some may be blessed into magically knowing who is trustworthy, and what source is true. If so, those people have to admit they're supernaturally blessed, or else they are more possessed than anyone by the demons.
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Post by Stammerhead on May 17, 2021 23:38:35 GMT
Makes about as much sense as blaming liberals. At least you can vote liberals out of office. 
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 18, 2021 11:18:11 GMT
Of course its silly blaming God for suffering. God don`t exist, and blaming something that don`t exist for suffering is silly. IMO a person has to be a tad bit narcissistic to either be 100% convinced Gods don't exist or 100% convinced they do. Collectively, we barely know anything.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 18, 2021 11:19:40 GMT
At least you can vote liberals out of office. But the Republicans have gotten too lazy to do that. They want the party bosses to fix the elections in their favor from now on. And the devil didn't invent resentment. In a thread about Gods this retard can't stop thinking about Trump and Republicans. "How to tell you're a MSM zombie."
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Post by rizdek on May 18, 2021 16:13:54 GMT
It doesn't make sense to blame God for suffering and woes. If you blame a 'God', you place the suffering and woes in a different context since you don't have Gods without any afterlife or spiritual dimension. If a 'God' or 'Gods' exist for you to blame for your woes, then your woes aren't so bad since God or Gods exist. Well...that doesn't follow. Imagining one's suffering and woes are not so bad because a God exists doesn't relate to who might be to blame.
I don't think any gods exist, but if there was a creator God who designed and created the world...then it is responsible for EVERYTHING in it and it is thereby his fault by definition. Even if some other created entity contributed to the suffering or woes, it is still ultimately God's fault. But since God probably doesn't exist...well...there seems little point in blaming an imaginary entity.
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Post by rizdek on May 18, 2021 19:12:59 GMT
In a thread about Gods this retard can't stop thinking about Trump and Republicans. "How to tell you're a MSM zombie." Trumpism is a religion. You know that.  My goodness...how tall was Jesus? About 7'. Trump is 6'3"...at least he was before Biden took him down a notch or two.
But maybe Jesus is standing on a crate.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on May 18, 2021 22:50:47 GMT
I suppose it depends on your God or what you think a God is doesn't it?
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on May 18, 2021 23:57:30 GMT
I suppose it depends on your God or what you think a God is doesn't it? He's the guy who makes the Jews feel special because he calls them his Chosen People. Is he now? Never met him, but who am I to question those who have talked to a God?
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 19, 2021 0:01:19 GMT
Of course its silly blaming God for suffering. God don`t exist, and blaming something that don`t exist for suffering is silly. IMO a person has to be a tad bit narcissistic to either be 100% convinced Gods don't exist or 100% convinced they do. Collectively, we barely know anything. I am not a 100& sure. i just know what i think is most likely.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 19, 2021 5:46:21 GMT
It doesn't make sense to blame God for suffering and woes. If you blame a 'God', you place the suffering and woes in a different context since you don't have Gods without any afterlife or spiritual dimension. If a 'God' or 'Gods' exist for you to blame for your woes, then your woes aren't so bad since God or Gods exist. Well...that doesn't follow. Imagining one's suffering and woes are not so bad because a God exists doesn't relate to who might be to blame.
I don't think any gods exist, but if there was a creator God who designed and created the world...then it is responsible for EVERYTHING in it and it is thereby his fault by definition. Even if some other created entity contributed to the suffering or woes, it is still ultimately God's fault. But since God probably doesn't exist...well...there seems little point in blaming an imaginary entity. I'm just saying that if anyone blames God/Gods for suffering they're changing the context of their suffering. Its' not 'Poor me, I suffer and die and that's all'. If they're entertaining the idea that God/Gods exist in order to blame them, they have to acknowledge the fact that their existence would alter the context of their suffering to something that's much more temporary and fleeting.
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Post by rizdek on May 19, 2021 12:06:35 GMT
Well...that doesn't follow. Imagining one's suffering and woes are not so bad because a God exists doesn't relate to who might be to blame.
I don't think any gods exist, but if there was a creator God who designed and created the world...then it is responsible for EVERYTHING in it and it is thereby his fault by definition. Even if some other created entity contributed to the suffering or woes, it is still ultimately God's fault. But since God probably doesn't exist...well...there seems little point in blaming an imaginary entity. I'm just saying that if anyone blames God/Gods for suffering they're changing the context of their suffering. Its' not 'Poor me, I suffer and die and that's all'. If they're entertaining the idea that God/Gods exist in order to blame them, they have to acknowledge the fact that their existence would alter the context of their suffering to something that's much more temporary and fleeting. I would agree that most theists probably find ways of rationalizing their suffering and suffering in general. It's a defense mechanism to deal with what might be overwhelming. It provides a sort of 'out' where they believe someone is in charge and that that someone is soooooooo wise and sooooooo kind and sooooo powerful that certainly all this suffering...often what seems like pointless and even gratuitous suffering really must have purpose and all will be made right in the end. So I imagine the vast majority of theists don't blame god for suffering.
But for those who do blame God, I'd say this is often an intermediate step to concluding that there probably isn't a god of the kind that cares about suffering. EG some young theist may grow up and in his maturity realize that the reasoning they accepted when younger that God 'must have his reasons' and 'gives meaning to all this suffering' gives way to...no way there can be a good kind powerful smart god who sits by and watches what now appears to be gratuitous suffering.
So maybe you're right...it IS silly to blame God for suffering...NOT because a God wouldn't be accountable. It (if we're talking a creator God), by definition is. So the only ones who really blame him....as in he's an asshole for allowing/causing it, are probably those who don't believe such a being exists...so....it would be silly to 'blame' him for suffering.
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Post by rizdek on May 20, 2021 9:51:58 GMT
I would agree that most theists probably find ways of rationalizing their suffering and suffering in general. It's a defense mechanism to deal with what might be overwhelming. It provides a sort of 'out' where they believe someone is in charge and that that someone is soooooooo wise and sooooooo kind and sooooo powerful that certainly all this suffering...often what seems like pointless and even gratuitous suffering really must have purpose and all will be made right in the end. So I imagine the vast majority of theists don't blame god for suffering.
But for those who do blame God, I'd say this is often an intermediate step to concluding that there probably isn't a god of the kind that cares about suffering. EG some young theist may grow up and in his maturity realize that the reasoning they accepted when younger that God 'must have his reasons' and 'gives meaning to all this suffering' gives way to...no way there can be a good kind powerful smart god who sits by and watches what now appears to be gratuitous suffering.
So maybe you're right...it IS silly to blame God for suffering...NOT because a God wouldn't be accountable. It (if we're talking a creator God), by definition is. So the only ones who really blame him....as in he's an asshole for allowing/causing it, are probably those who don't believe such a being exists...so....it would be silly to 'blame' him for suffering.
I wonder how many people have spent their lives suffering because they believe they have failed God or too sinful to please him when there is no God for them to fail? Yes...mental anguish trying to please an imaginary god. Martin Luther struggled with this...he never thought himself 'good enough.' So he decided the Bible taught that you couldn't ever be 'good enough' but that you could just 'be justified' by believing certain things (having faith). Of course, that leads to the next dilemma...what if what you believe is wrong? Faith is easy to have, it's what one has faith IN that seems to determine whether they're 'ok' with God. So they're back to the same conundrum...how to make sure you're believing the right things. And if 'doing' the right things and 'believing' the right thing isn't important, then what's the pt of worrying about pleasing a god...imaginary or otherwise.
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Post by moviemouth on May 21, 2021 0:33:51 GMT
I don't even understand what you are saying or perhaps I disagree with the way you see it.
That if there is afterlife that the suffering has a purpose and therefor means that it isn't the same as suffering in an indifferent universe where there is no afterlife?
What if you suffer in this life and the end up in a place of eternal suffering?
All the suffering would be God's fault if God exists, whether there is an afterlife or not. The context doesn't matter.
Existence is suffering, but it would be silly for me to blame the universe for anything. God is an easy target if he exists and if God exists he is responsible for everything. He can be blamed for every bad thing and praised for every good thing. It is a nonsensical mess.
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Post by moviemouth on May 21, 2021 0:51:13 GMT
I wonder how many people have spent their lives suffering because they believe they have failed God or too sinful to please him when there is no God for them to fail? Yes...mental anguish trying to please an imaginary god. Martin Luther struggled with this...he never thought himself 'good enough.' So he decided the Bible taught that you couldn't ever be 'good enough' but that you could just 'be justified' by believing certain things (having faith). Of course, that leads to the next dilemma...what if what you believe is wrong? Faith is easy to have, it's what one has faith IN that seems to determine whether they're 'ok' with God. So they're back to the same conundrum...how to make sure you're believing the right things. And if 'doing' the right things and 'believing' the right thing isn't important, then what's the pt of worrying about pleasing a god...imaginary or otherwise. I wonder how many people actually are convinced there is a God and aren't just knowingly using it as an imaginary crutch. It is a confusing mess.
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Post by ginosayshey on May 22, 2021 20:26:02 GMT
Trumpism is a religion. You know that. My goodness...how tall was Jesus? About 7'. Trump is 6'3"... Another one of his many, many, many lies.
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