Hnefahogg
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Post by Hnefahogg on May 18, 2021 19:16:11 GMT
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Post by gadreel on May 18, 2021 20:25:29 GMT
yeah not at all, he may be ethnically a Jew and have some cultural leanings, but that does not mean he has to conform to whatever we think a Jew is.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on May 18, 2021 22:53:03 GMT
Thing is, most want to feel special so even if one doesn't care about their religious past or identity, they still want certain perks that may come with identifying as some specific group. It's another reason why I so dislike labels and tribes of any kind.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on May 18, 2021 23:55:05 GMT
Thing is, most want to feel special so even if one doesn't care about their religious past or identity, they still want certain perks that may come with identifying as some specific group. It's another reason why I so dislike labels and tribes of any kind. Now, that is anti-Semitic. Not at all, I love all people. I just want them to be free of the shackles of religion, group identity, or other similar things. Is that so wrong?
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on May 19, 2021 0:01:14 GMT
Not at all, I love all people. I just want them to be free of the shackles of religion, group identity, or other similar things. Is that so wrong? Saying a group of people who lost over 6 million members to one of the worst human atrocities in history want to feel special. Fuck you, tutu. That's not even remotely what I said and you know it. The fact so many were killed over such a distinction should continually inspire us to do better. So many have died in human history over trivial reasons. It's wrong, it's always been wrong. That has nothing to do with what I said about a person in the here and now that, as far as I know, is not facing death right now.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on May 19, 2021 0:11:56 GMT
That's not even remotely what I said and you know it. The fact so many were killed over such a distinction should continually inspire us to do better. So many have died in human history over trivial reasons. It's wrong, it's always been wrong. That has nothing to do with what I said about a person in the here and now that, as far as I know, is not facing death right now. The topic is about Jewish of no religion, so.... But maybe you didn't mean the way it comes across. It's definitely difficult to get across everything one wants in text, especially at a slow pace. That's an unfortunate weakness of a message board system like this. I'll do my best to try to explain myself. I don't consider religious distinctions to be the same as racial ones. When I trash all religions, I trash the ideas, the power they create, and the problems they create too. I don't trash the people that follow them, in most cases, it's just unfortunate circumstance that people follow such things. Interestingly, the person in the original topic seemingly admits that he doesn't care about the religious aspects of being a Jew which makes things even more confused. If someone isn't following the religion, then they are not a Jew, plain and simple. Jew is not a type or race of human, it's a religious distinction. My original point was this person was still using a distinction that shouldn't apply simply to gain some benefits from it.
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Post by gadreel on May 20, 2021 1:46:57 GMT
yeah not at all, he may be ethnically a Jew and have some cultural leanings, but that does not mean he has to conform to whatever we think a Jew is. Jews have no choice but to be Jews. It's like several times when Trump spoke of Israel to Jewish groups referring to it as "your country." When Germany emancipated their Jewish population in 1871, giving them full rights, the German Jews pretty assimilated into society. However, that was not good enough. Even when they converted to Christianity, they were still Jews. And per Nuremburg, even if a person had one Jewish grandparent and raised a Christian, they were still Jews. Well that is it, you can be a Jew culturally, religiously or ethnically, and you dont have to be one to be the other, although frequently you are. So someone who is ethnically Jewish, but is a Muslim raised in Japan is still a Jew at least ethnically. it's funny that you mention the Nazi issue, because yeah their issue was with the ethnicity (although ironically it was mostly with the conceived culture of that ethnicity), there is quite a good quote in conspiracy around the non-practising Jews in America that would still fall under the Nuremberg laws as Israelite.
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Post by rizdek on May 20, 2021 18:21:11 GMT
yeah not at all, he may be ethnically a Jew and have some cultural leanings, but that does not mean he has to conform to whatever we think a Jew is. Jews have no choice but to be Jews. It's like several times when Trump spoke of Israel to Jewish groups referring to it as "your country." When Germany emancipated their Jewish population in 1871, giving them full rights, the German Jews pretty assimilated into society. However, that was not good enough. Even when they converted to Christianity, they were still Jews. And per Nuremburg, even if a person had one Jewish grandparent and raised a Christian, they were still Jews. And Trump didn't get fired for it like this yokel. link
Oh wait...maybe Trump did get fired. But I don't recall Jews complaining about Trump saying that. But then, maybe they knew which side their bread was buttered on.
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Post by gadreel on May 20, 2021 22:36:46 GMT
Well that is it, you can be a Jew culturally, religiously or ethnically, and you dont have to be one to be the other, although frequently you are. So someone who is ethnically Jewish, but is a Muslim raised in Japan is still a Jew at least ethnically. it's funny that you mention the Nazi issue, because yeah their issue was with the ethnicity (although ironically it was mostly with the conceived culture of that ethnicity), there is quite a good quote in conspiracy around the non-practising Jews in America that would still fall under the Nuremberg laws as Israelite. I guess my point is, even when a person does not see him or herself as a Jew, the gentile certainly will see he or she as that. Yeah I guess that is the ethnicity thing, you can't escape your genes, but ethnicity means very little in terms of culture often.
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