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Post by onethreetwo on May 27, 2021 21:00:43 GMT
The Princess and the Frog (2009) was the last traditionally animated Disney movie.
What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 21:03:47 GMT
Go back or include?
I'd say yes to include. The market is clearly there for hand-drawn animation. Your Name and Demon Slayer prove this.
Also, the last technically hand drawn Disney film was Oliver and Company. They were digitally animated afterwards (i.e. no physical cels).
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Post by gw on May 27, 2021 21:31:46 GMT
I won't watch Disney films even if they do go back to 2D theatrical animation. But if some other mainstream company did and did it well I'd watch it. I am personally of the belief that if hand drawn animation had stuck around that it would have evolved into something new. If you don't believe me, look at Deep Canvas used in Tarzan and Princess Mononoke, the Treasure Town swooping opening in Tekkonkinkreet or imagine what it would be like if a Klaus-like style developed for years. And Paperman which due to my Disney boycott I haven't watched. Anime is going down a 2D+ road like Makoto Shinkai where they do everything from digital drawing to 3D and rotoscope. But they seem to change the surroundings more than the characters.
So in short, yes somebody should but don't expect it to stay the same forever.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 28, 2021 0:08:33 GMT
There were plans to develop an oil painted style to 3d animation--they were going to do it with Beowulf 2007 and abandoned the idea.
Sort of like looking at a moving Frank Frazetta painting.
I remember when they were making Oliver and Company--Michael Eisner did not hide his feelings that it was a big drag on resources and time--he said but it was the company's legacy so they had to do it. Not enthusiastically though.
It doesnt look hand-drawn anymore. There is only one company left--in England, that makes animation cel paint.
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Post by gw on May 28, 2021 1:47:40 GMT
There were plans to develop an oil painted style to 3d animation--they were going to do it with Beowulf 2007 and abandoned the idea. Sort of like looking at a moving Frank Frazetta painting. That might explain why the men in the film are more rendered than the women.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 28, 2021 2:01:02 GMT
That might explain why the men in the film are more rendered than the women. I didn't find the figures worked well except in a couple of places-one is where Malkovich is speaking by a fireplace--I could have believed that was him there--and the other was one of the women--the queen or whatever--she was talking-I think before he faced the dragon--but it made me think I was watching someone real--but the rest of the time, it really sucked.
I know someone who worked on that movie with Zemeckis and he told my friend that he wanted to be the Walt Disney of motion capture.
I think that film should have been live action. If they really wanted that particular guy for the voice of Beowulf--just have him dub someone else!
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Post by gw on May 28, 2021 2:15:15 GMT
That might explain why the men in the film are more rendered than the women. I didn't find the figures worked well except in a couple of places-one is where Malkovich is speaking by a fireplace--I could have believed that was him there--and the other was one of the women--the queen or whatever--she was talking-I think before he faced the dragon--but it made me think I was watching someone real--but the rest of the time, it really sucked.
I know someone who worked on that movie with Zemeckis and he told my friend that he wanted to be the Walt Disney of motion capture.
I think that film should have been live action. If they really wanted that particular guy for the voice of Beowulf--just have him dub someone else!
I think that they should have slowly worked their way up towards animated realism. By that I mean that they should have made small exaggerations where they needed to on the characters so that they don't look strange and not try to bite off more than the could chew. I take this view because we all know that at some point they're going to be forced into it by the advancement of CGI so they might as well steer it the best that they can.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 28, 2021 2:25:06 GMT
I think that they should have slowly worked their way up towards animated realism. By that I mean that they should have made small exaggerations where they needed to on the characters so that they don't look strange and not try to bite off more than the could chew. I take this view because we all know that at some point they're going to be forced into it by the advancement of CGI so they might as well steer it the best that they can. They should have done that-that's why the abandonment of the painted appearance probably harmed it---but they made simple mistakes too like the eyes did not have a wet look most of the time-they weren't reflecting light-so it looked creepy. Most live action movies use an eye light on the actor to give them a shine.
There was no light reflecting off the eyes and they could have added that if they were looking for it.
The scene in the Polar Express where those waiters are singing about chocolate-that's like a nightmare.
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Post by gw on May 28, 2021 2:33:13 GMT
I think that they should have slowly worked their way up towards animated realism. By that I mean that they should have made small exaggerations where they needed to on the characters so that they don't look strange and not try to bite off more than the could chew. I take this view because we all know that at some point they're going to be forced into it by the advancement of CGI so they might as well steer it the best that they can. They should have done that-that's why the abandonment of the painted appearance probably harmed it---but they made simple mistakes too like the eyes did not have a wet look most of the time-they weren't reflecting light-so it looked creepy. Most live action movies use an eye light on the actor to give them a shine.
There was no light reflecting off the eyes and they could have added that if they were looking for it.
The scene in the Polar Express where those waiters are singing about chocolate-that's like a nightmare.
Yeah, that Polar Express scene is awkward but the song itself isn't all that great either. And the waiters look pretty much if not identical might work in a picture book but is trickier to pull off in a movie.
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Post by hi224 on May 28, 2021 5:34:18 GMT
The Princess and the Frog (2009) was the last traditionally animated Disney movie. What do you think? why not new ideas?.
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Post by politicidal on May 28, 2021 14:00:08 GMT
Sure Iโd be open to it.
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Post by Archelaus on May 28, 2021 18:05:47 GMT
Personally, I would like to see more fully 2D animated films from any mainstream animation studio, not just Disney. Wolfwalkers was the most recent one, if I'm not mistaken. The Princess and the Frog (2009) was the last traditionally animated Disney movie. What do you think? Actually, it was Winnie the Pooh (2011). Go back or include? I'd say yes to include. The market is clearly there for hand-drawn animation. Your Name and Demon Slayer prove this. Also, the last technically hand drawn Disney film was Oliver and Company. They were digitally animated afterwards (i.e. no physical cels).They were ink-and-painted on a computer, yes, but they were still sourced from elements that were drawn by hand from animators whereas 3D animation is entirely constructed on a computer.
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Post by novastar6 on May 28, 2021 20:14:37 GMT
YES.
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Post by Stammerhead on May 29, 2021 0:16:20 GMT
Thereโs room for every type of animation
Or there should be
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Post by merh on May 29, 2021 18:26:29 GMT
I dislike the newer look of animation.
2D was wall art. I do not see that in Shrek, etc.
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Post by poelzig on May 30, 2021 21:08:33 GMT
Yes but that would mean less solid gold diamond covered butt plugs for the Disney executives and that would be terrible, right?
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Post by Ass_E9 on Jun 1, 2021 3:48:49 GMT
How many jobs would that create?
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Post by stratego on Jun 3, 2021 23:50:20 GMT
Yes.
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Post by darkpast on Jun 5, 2021 6:47:02 GMT
They could do them for shorts instead of the dumb Pixar ones
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Post by James on Jun 6, 2021 0:01:00 GMT
Yes, for every computer-animated movie, there should be one hand-drawn one. Not sure if it'll be possible though. It's pretty much a fact that computer-animated makes more at the box-office.
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