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Post by movieliker on Jun 7, 2021 17:23:13 GMT
I just finished watching "THOR: THE DARK WORLD". And I didn't really understand Loki's motivation. The Internet says this; "Loki's main motivation was to prove himself worthy to his father, who he believed always favored Thor. He thought the perfect way to do it was eradicating the Frost Giants of course and we all know how that turned out.May 30, 2012"gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/227-movies-at-the-theater/62763299It's hard for me to accept that all of a sudden he would be overcome with ambition to be king, and resentment for being adopted. Even to the point of risking his family's lives and destruction of Asgard. Is he really just a psychopath? In the subsequent Avenger movies, that is the way he's portrayed. What do you think? --------- And The Dark World Thor movie also had the Dark Elves wanting to destroy everything (plunge the Universe into darkness). Why? Many of the reviews complain about these lack of motivation for it's characters. What do you think? |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 7, 2021 17:27:47 GMT
That movie had a such a weak villain.
The only thing I liked about it was the scene with Thor on the subway.
That was one bit of humor I liked-also when the birds disappear and the scientist says: There is nothing more reassuring than realizing that the world is crazier than you are.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 7, 2021 17:30:41 GMT
That movie had a such a weak villain. The only thing I liked about it was the scene with Thor on the subway. That was one bit of humor I liked-also when the birds disappear and the scientist says: There is nothing more reassuring than realizing that the world is crazier than you are. It got a lot of bad reviews for that very accusation --- why are the bad guys doing what they are doing? |
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Post by movieliker on Jun 7, 2021 17:34:08 GMT
That movie had a such a weak villain. The only thing I liked about it was the scene with Thor on the subway. That was one bit of humor I liked-also when the birds disappear and the scientist says: There is nothing more reassuring than realizing that the world is crazier than you are. I personally didn't think the villians were weak. I just didn't understand their motivations. Plunge the Universe into darkness? Why? Loki out of nowhere gets angry and jealous to the point where he turns on his family and empire? Seemed under developed. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 7, 2021 17:35:40 GMT
It got a lot of bad reviews for that very accusation --- why are the bad guys doing what they are doing? It's one of the worst villains I have seen in a movie-he has no personality. That elf guy. Even though I know the actor--he's kind of the poor man's Charles Dance. I think he was too mild for that role-being under makeup like that. They needed someone more intense or intimidating.
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Post by Downey on Jun 7, 2021 17:51:31 GMT
It got a lot of bad reviews for that very accusation --- why are the bad guys doing what they are doing? It's one of the worst villains I have seen in a movie-he has no personality. That elf guy. Even though I know the actor--he's kind of the poor man's Charles Dance. I think he was too mild for that role-being under makeup like that. They needed someone more intense or intimidating.
Christopher Ecclestone is pretty intense. In recent years I've found him akin to an old bitch but in his heyday he was intense. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 7, 2021 18:40:30 GMT
Christopher Ecclestone is pretty intense. In recent years I've found him akin to an old bitch but in his heyday he was intense. Some actors can be buried under makeup and not come out of it. Robert DeNiro sucked as a Frankenstein.
Eccleston did not make a good Destro when he put the mask on at the end.
Neil McCarthy--he could be buried under makeup in Clash of the Titans and yet be an effective bad guy.
They needed someone like him or Nigel Davenport in type. I don't know what modern actors compare to them --but that's what they needed for elf guy.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 7, 2021 18:58:49 GMT
Well Loki is the God of mischief in actual mythology.
I agree he is underdeveloped. It his Hiddleston's performance in the franchise that makes the character work as well as he does. I think the purpose of his character is to be completely unpredictable and he is suppose to be insane imo.
I think he is a somewhat boring character in the first Thor movie though. He is at his best when he has to team up with Thor.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 7, 2021 19:04:34 GMT
Christopher Ecclestone is pretty intense. In recent years I've found him akin to an old bitch but in his heyday he was intense. Some actors can be buried under makeup and not come out of it. Robert DeNiro sucked as a Frankenstein.
Eccleston did not make a good Destro when he put the mask on at the end.
Neil McCarthy--he could be buried under makeup in Clash of the Titans and yet be an effective bad guy.
They needed someone like him or Nigel Davenport in type. I don't know what modern actors compare to them --but that's what they needed for elf guy.
I don't agree his performance was bad. I thought he was very effective. I liked his performance. I had no problem with his acting. Unlike other individual performances in this movie, he never over acted. It's the writing I had a problem with. Why did he want to destroy the Universe? |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 7, 2021 19:12:54 GMT
I don't agree his performance was bad. I thought he was very effective. I liked his performance. I had no problem with his acting. Unlike other individual performances in this movie, he never over acted. It's the writing I had a problem with. Why did he want to destroy the Universe? Well he's no Skeletor that's for sure.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 7, 2021 19:49:18 GMT
I don't agree his performance was bad. I thought he was very effective. I liked his performance. I had no problem with his acting. Unlike other individual performances in this movie, he never over acted. It's the writing I had a problem with. Why did he want to destroy the Universe? Well he's no Skeletor that's for sure.
Right. I never saw Masters of the Universe. But one could say that Skeletor was over acted. One could surmise the leader of The Dark Elves just likes everything dark. That is why he wanted to plunge the Universe into darkness. Also supreme power. But I don't remember it being explained during the movie. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 7, 2021 19:56:25 GMT
Right. I never saw Masters of the Universe. But one could say that Skeletor was over acted. One could surmise the leader of The Dark Elves just likes everything dark. That is why he wanted to plunge the Universe into darkness. Also supreme power. But I don't remember it being explained during the movie. Over acting leaves more of an impression. That elf guy is just boring. He kills a major character yet it leaves little impact.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 7, 2021 19:59:20 GMT
These Marvel superhero movies have a habit of jam packing lots of characters and storylines into each movie.
Sometimes for some reason back stories, character development and motivations are not addressed, or left out of the final cut.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 7, 2021 20:02:17 GMT
Right. I never saw Masters of the Universe. But one could say that Skeletor was over acted. One could surmise the leader of The Dark Elves just likes everything dark. That is why he wanted to plunge the Universe into darkness. Also supreme power. But I don't remember it being explained during the movie. Over acting leaves more of an impression. That elf guy is just boring. He kills a major character yet it leaves little impact. I don't agree. Over acting is just stupid --- except in maybe a comedy. A good actor can be riveting and understated at the same time. Over acting just seems like trying too hard, and going too far . The only impression I get from overacting is - that is a bad acting job. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 7, 2021 20:07:46 GMT
I don't agree. Over acting is just stupid --- except in maybe a comedy. A good actor can be riveting and understated at the same time. Over acting just seems like trying too hard, and going too far . The only impression I get from overacting is - that is a bad acting job. If you are buried in makeup, you have to work harder to perform. Do you think Robert Picardo overacted in LEGEND? Roddy McDowall in the POTA movies?
Modern movies underplay everything-that's a reason why people feel they suck. They lack intensity. The stakes are raised when someone shows more emotion, especially under lots of makeup.
The elf man role was underwritten and under acted.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 7, 2021 20:13:54 GMT
I don't agree. Over acting is just stupid --- except in maybe a comedy. A good actor can be riveting and understated at the same time. Over acting just seems like trying too hard, and going too far . The only impression I get from overacting is - that is a bad acting job. If you are buried in makeup, you have to work harder to perform. Do you think Robert Picardo overacted in LEGEND? Roddy McDowall in the POTA movies?
Modern movies underplay everything-that's a reason why people feel they suck. They lack intensity. The stakes are raised when someone shows more emotion, especially under lots of makeup.
The elf man role was underwritten and under acted. I disagree. I think the guy that played the leader of the Dark Elves in The Dark World did a good job. I also disagree about movies today. Most of them suffer from overacting in my opinion. Especially scifi movies --- astronauts, cops and soldiers screaming, yelling and flipping out everytime things don't go as planned. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 7, 2021 20:20:47 GMT
I disagree. I think the guy that played the leader of the Dark Elves in The Dark World did a good job. Ok so you love the guy-I think you are in the minority.
Skeletor would take him.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 7, 2021 20:22:50 GMT
Evil Lyn would take him too.
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Post by movieliker on Jun 7, 2021 21:54:41 GMT
I disagree. I think the guy that played the leader of the Dark Elves in The Dark World did a good job. Ok so you love the guy-I think you are in the minority.
Skeletor would take him.
I don't agree. The leader of the Dark Elves is more action, less words. Skeletor is more talk and less action. Too much emotion. Too soft and sensitive. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 7, 2021 23:31:34 GMT
Let's investigate something.
Is he popular?
This is funny:
The best thing about Maleketh is that he’s under such heavy prosthesis and makeup that no one remembers that Christopher Eccleston was in this movie
After hearing about Malekith’s comic book counterpart, it’s really puzzling how the writers turned him into a walking pill of Ambien. His character lends itself very well to the quippy style of humor that MCU loves to have in their movies. Did they think the audience would confuse him with Loki halfway through if he showed a shred of personality?
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