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Post by phantomparticle on Jun 17, 2021 2:02:07 GMT
You can throw in Red River, as well.
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Post by Isapop on Jun 17, 2021 11:03:41 GMT
Or was he closer to villainy in "Suspicion"? It is a debatable point. Well, he played a feckless playboy but suspected (hence the title) all the way through of murder More than feckless, he was an embezzler, too. Anybody here for whom that would be a spoiler is on the wrong board.
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Post by mattgarth on Jun 17, 2021 12:06:26 GMT
William Powell back in 1926 played 'Wilson', the jealous husband who knocks off Warner Baxter, in the silent version of THE GREAT GATSBY.
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Post by lune7000 on Jun 17, 2021 14:23:32 GMT
And here's a scene I think you'll find interesting. That's a fun scene. I saw Jimmy Stewart last night in "No Highway in the Sky" and, between that movie and this video clip, it is clear he puts a lot of work into controlling the small movements of the face to show how his thoughts and feelings are changing. He uses over 20 face movements in the first 30 seconds of this You Tube clip (note how everyone else's faces are stiff like plaster). If you're reading this - just play it and see. So many famous actors just say their lines and call it a day- the exact same character in every movie. Stewart really tried to create a new character with each film- with different manners. His Professor Honey character in "No Highway in the Sky" is extremely low key.
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Post by lune7000 on Jun 17, 2021 14:29:31 GMT
It's still interesting to me that female stars were far more likely to play bad people than male stars. Once a male star gets typed as a "hero" there seems to be no way out. Some of the examples people listed here are either at the very beginning or very end of a hero's career- but almost never in the middle. Once on the hero train it is hard to get off.
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Post by sostie on Jun 17, 2021 14:38:59 GMT
In Ghost Story Fred Astaire's character is part of a group that try and cover-up the death of a woman they think they killed and in the process actually kill er, and then cover that up for decades. Although the crimes are initially committed by a the younger version of Astaire's character.
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Post by mikef6 on Jun 17, 2021 16:06:15 GMT
Well, he played a feckless playboy but suspected (hence the title) all the way through of murder More than feckless, he was an embezzler, too. Anybody here for whom that would be a spoiler is on the wrong board. True, but there are so many Spoiler Activists on this and every other board that revealing the ending would be to make one a target for a room full of marksmen, no matter that it's not a Spoiler any more. So let's do it this way: No. Cary is not a murderer.
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Post by teleadm on Jun 17, 2021 18:13:59 GMT
John Wayne was the villain in Pittsburgh 1942 while Randolph Scott was the hero, this was the switch they made since The Spoilers 1942.
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Post by teleadm on Jun 17, 2021 18:33:07 GMT
David Niven was a villain in the minor swashbuckler The King's Thief 1955. He was also a sort of unwilling head of a devilish pagan cult in Eye of the Devil 1966, and has to do a sacrifice that might be surprising. He doesn't live anymore when the end titles appears, the sacrifice was himself.
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Post by lune7000 on Jun 18, 2021 0:25:04 GMT
So it looks like maybe Errol Flynn and Cary Grant as the two who were never true villains? (suspected doesn't count)
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Post by claudius on Jun 18, 2021 12:57:08 GMT
Would Flynn count if MGM hadn’t omitted the rape in THAT FORSYTE WOMAN (the adaptation of THE FORSYTE SAGA- A MAN OF PROPERTY)?
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Post by SIRIUS on Jun 18, 2021 13:33:07 GMT
Many movie watchers are catching up on the "old movies" and thus appreciate the niceties of the spoiler feature. IMO, it's just easy to NOT tell the secrets or at least to "spoiler" them. I only recently saw "Laura" and "The Cowboys" and am sure both films would have been more enjoyable if I had not known crucial plot points about who is alive and who gets killed. Not everyone posting on or just reading this board is an old timer who has seen every movie ever made js
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jun 18, 2021 16:18:45 GMT
David Niven
In 1954's Happy Ever After (AKA: Tonight's the Night) as the heir to an Irish estate, Niven proves such a thoroughgoing rotter that the residents of the neighboring village conspire to do away with him. Although their efforts go hilariously awry due to misunderstandings and lack of coordination, it could be said that the denouement represents ruination of a sort for him.
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Post by timshelboy on Jun 18, 2021 19:58:58 GMT
Jimmy Stewart was the murderer in AFTER THE THIN MAN Gregory Peck Lewt MCCanles in DUEL IN THE SUN was more bad than good, if not as bad as Mengele Here he is down the sump with local firecracker Pearl William Powell check him out in BEHIND THE MAKE UP as the immigrant friend of Hal Skelly who cuckolds him with wife Fay Wray as well as usurping his career. I'm pretty sure he was mean to the Gish sisters in ROMOLA Powell with Kay Francis in BEHIND THE MAKEUP
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